2014 Pilot Discussion

[mrbreeze]

Then you're dumber than I first thought. Guess what old sport? USAPA is dead. We're all going to be APA when SLI comes around. No MB. Get it? Silver Stripped the ball from you scabs. Now it's all on the APA and their DFR to ALL members. Just like USAPA had for the West. Sleep tight. If it was good enough for the West, it'll be good enough for you.

Can you not read the way the law is written in regards to the structure of MB? There is a difference, apples and oranges. AWA and USAir were both ALPA at the time so it was an internal SLI. Now we are talking about 2 different unions, USAPA and APA, which M/B and federal law control. Had we been a part of APA, then yeah, you're right, but that's not the case.
 
We will see who is the dumb one here.
breeze

 

[EastUS1]

..... If it was good enough for the West, it'll be good enough for you.

 
Whew! Would you be at all interested in a psychological evaluation of that statement? I suppose it's best to gently first ask when it was it that membership in AWA/"the West" was first determined to be the apex/pinnacle point of all human achievement?
 
Of course if one matches this latest with your earlier: "Res judicata: "The Nic isn't good enough for the West anymore", your condition becomes both clear and sadly understandable.

 

[cltrat]

 
 
We will see who is the dumb one here.
breeze

given his prediction record I'll put money on him

 

[Freighterguynow]

http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West_Pilot_DFR_DJ/D13-1_West_Pilots_First_Cross_Appeal_Brief.pdf
Filed today...

West asking for attorney fees :

All of the pilots have an interest in seeing USAPA (or any union that might represent them in the future) abide by its duty of fair representation. Because this litigation defines and enforces that duty, the entire craft (including East pilots) benefitted from this litigation.

 

[flyer63]

How long before east has an LLC and attorneys to file suits and drag this out longer?,,my prediction. Not long

 

[nycbusdriver]

How long before east has an LLC and attorneys to file suits and drag this out longer?,,my prediction. Not long

 
Maybe.  The longer this drags out, the better for APA and east pilots.  Throw me in that briar patch.
 
Do you think USAPA LLC will resort to selling $700 ties to help keep the fence around the sandbox for another 5+ years?  I'll buy two!

 

[end_of_alpa]

"Plaintiff USAPA is a private, unincorporated association operating as a labor organization. USAPA is a “representative” as defined by the RLA, 45 U.S.C. § 151 (Sixth), and is the certified collective bargaining representative of the pilots of US Airways. USAPA has its principal place of business located at 200 E. Woodlawn Road, Suite 250, Charlotte, North Carolina, 28217."
http://www.usairlinepilots.org/index.php?option=com_jumi&fileid=5&F=4666&Itemid=522

How long before east has an LLC and attorneys to file suits and drag this out longer?,,my prediction. Not long

"Plaintiff USAPA is a private, unincorporated association operating as a labor organization. USAPA is a “representative” as defined by the RLA, 45 U.S.C. § 151 (Sixth), and is the certified collective bargaining representative of the pilots of US Airways. USAPA has its principal place of business located at 200 E. Woodlawn Road, Suite 250, Charlotte, North Carolina, 28217."
http://www.usairlinepilots.org/index.php?option=com_jumi&fileid=5&F=4666&Itemid=522

The only thing that changes is that USAPA's rights and obligations will become contested by the company, APA and USAPA. Where that will lead is anyone's guess. However, two hurtles I know WILL be problematic for APA and AAL is the M/B court action and JCBA negotiations.

I know many of you think USAPA will go "poof" but legally that is not the case. This is not like when east and west were both ALPA. Contrary to Chip, USAPA has representational rights under M/B and secondly USAPA still has legally constitutional provisions in the Constitution and Bylaws that give the leadership wide range of latitude to "wind down" the unincorporated association that will still be required to file LM-2 to the DOL until the certainty of the provisions of the Constitution will be secured.

A lawsuit by AOL still doesn't mean they will prevail. Their current appeal brief is extremely weak, at best.

 

[crazystnic]

 
Maybe.  The longer this drags out, the better for APA and east pilots.  Throw me in that briar patch.
 
Do you think USAPA LLC will resort to selling $700 ties to help keep the fence around the sandbox for another 5+ years?  I'll buy two!

I'm in for 2 as well....

 

[nycbusdriver]

Adios USAPA scum. You perfected the gutter ball. Congratulations.

Now. Who wants to go to prison for misappropriating the dues money of a now defunct FORMER bargaining agent?

 
Not so fast, Polygraph "Expert":
 
 
From Section 3, USAPA C&B-Ls:
 
C. Within three (3) business days of either the NMB decision or membership vote triggering dissolution (hereinafter, the “commencement date”), the National Officers shall make a determination as to whether existing circumstances present, or may present in the future, the need for collective legal action on behalf of the pilot group, including, but not limited to, representation in seniority integration proceedings. In the event the majority of the National Officers determine that such a need exists, the dissolution commencement date will be deferred until, in the judgment of a majority of the National Officers, the need for collective legal representation no longer exists. If, in the judgment of a majority of the National Officers, available funds exceed the expected costs of collective legal representation, the excess monies may be distributed in accordance with paragraph A of this section. The President shall break any tie votes among the National Officers. 
 
D. Notwithstanding any other provision in the Constitution and Bylaws, the full operating authority of USAPA shall reside with the National Officers as of the dissolution commencement date indicated in Paragraph A of this section. The President or the Acting President shall appoint an individual who was an active member as of the commencement date to fill any vacancies arising among the National Officers after the 

 

[end_of_alpa]

Not so fast, Polygraph "Expert":
 
 
From Section 3, USAPA C&B-Ls:
 
C. Within three (3) business days of either the NMB decision or membership vote triggering dissolution (hereinafter, the “commencement date”), the National Officers shall make a determination as to whether existing circumstances present, or may present in the future, the need for collective legal action on behalf of the pilot group, including, but not limited to, representation in seniority integration proceedings. In the event the majority of the National Officers determine that such a need exists, the dissolution commencement date will be deferred until, in the judgment of a majority of the National Officers, the need for collective legal representation no longer exists. If, in the judgment of a majority of the National Officers, available funds exceed the expected costs of collective legal representation, the excess monies may be distributed in accordance with paragraph A of this section. The President shall break any tie votes among the National Officers. 
 
D. Notwithstanding any other provision in the Constitution and Bylaws, the full operating authority of USAPA shall reside with the National Officers as of the dissolution commencement date indicated in Paragraph A of this section. The President or the Acting President shall appoint an individual who was an active member as of the commencement date to fill any vacancies arising among the National Officers after the

The West, Chip and his "legions" fail to realize that this article in the Constitution and Bylaws are legally controlling and suing to dissolve USAPA is going to be legally fruitless. I hope USAPA counterclaims and sues them for filing a false claim(s) as appropriate.

If that were otherwise we could have sued ALPA for funds paid in.

Tilting at windmills.

 

[algflyr]

I have a lot of respect for the APA and their legal teams ability. To think they are stupid and don't understand the law would be a serious miscalculation on anyone's part. They have strong armed every pilot group they have ever combined with, and they were fighting against those other pilots groups unions. 
 
Now there is a new law in effect, the M/B, that was developed to prevent such actions in mergers. We will soon put it to the ultimate test. And yet some believe the law now makes it easier to strong arm another group... I don't think so. And I doubt the APA does either... 

 

[snapthis]

Work on your anger issue for this year, just remember Bradford is your daddy.

 
 

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USAPA flew by in your lifetime similar to a stealth bomber, a moab.     It is gone soon but will return if you tread on the wrong individuals. 

 

Stealth bomber? Bradford your daddy?
 
Steve just made clowns out of both of you yesterday. You'd better get busy filling that USucker box with cards. 

 

[Claxon]

 
 
 
Stealth bomber? Bradford your daddy?
 
Steve just made clowns out of both of you yesterday. You'd better get busy filling that USucker box with cards. 

"“I just thought to myself, if I wanted to make a go of this, I would have to give it 100%.” In 1989, he quit his sales job and became a full-time flight instructor at Houston’s Hobby Airport. “At the time, that was the best way for me to build hours and take the next step to become a regional airline pilot,” says Gay. In April 1994, he landed a job with the regional carrier Mesa Air. “I flew a Beechcraft 1900, a 19-passenger, twinengine turboprop airplane"
http://www.pwc.com/us/en/alumni/keyword/vol6/re-routed.jhtml

 

[dariencc]

Adios USAPA scum. You perfected the gutter ball. Congratulations.

Now. Who wants to go to prison for misappropriating the dues money of a now defunct FORMER bargaining agent?

 
This will conclude today's polygraph examination.  Thank you for your interest in a career with the FBI.  The exit is to your left.

 

[dariencc]

"“I just thought to myself, if I wanted to make a go of this, I would have to give it 100%.” In 1989, he quit his sales job and became a full-time flight instructor at Houston’s Hobby Airport. “At the time, that was the best way for me to build hours and take the next step to become a regional airline pilot,” says Gay. In April 1994, he landed a job with the regional carrier Mesa Air. “I flew a Beechcraft 1900, a 19-passenger, twinengine turboprop airplane"
http://www.pwc.com/us/en/alumni/keyword/vol6/re-routed.jhtml

 
Another one of America's finest:
 

Polygraph Statement of Mr. Mark C. Doyal
 
I had always wanted to be an FBI agent. With that singular goal in mind, I enrolled in Southwest Texas State University in the fall of 1988.