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MUTATIS MUTANDIS said:
JJ Aka SNAP I THINK AIR VIRGINIA ceased operations long before you or your GAY friend had a pilots certificate!
 
I was a licensed pilot in the 1970's when your buddy Luv was in grade school. I've read it over and over again, yea we're the kids, bankrupt US Airways  bought America West with Lakefield's marvelous contacts. The very contacts he could not manage to pull Airways out of the gutter. The same guy who hired Parker and moved the HQ to Tempe.
 
The problem you have is the arbitrator saw through the BS before and will see it again. I'll give you 187 reasons in addition the 200 I provided in my previous post why you should be concerned. Look what a tie can buy.
 
What's in your wallet? Not my money.... :lol:
 
     
 
 
 

From this premise, America West contends that its pilots' career
expectations were dramatically better that those at US Airways. In the
 
 
America West view, US Airways was a failed carrier at the time of the
 
merger, an airline nearing liquidation. Its history shows a steady
 
decline in its fortunes, with no hiring at all between 1990 and 1998, an
 
unsuccessful Metrojet "airline within an airline" venture, an inability
 
because of government disapproval to merge with a then stronger
 
United Airlines, continuing furloughs after September 11, 2001, a
 
concessionary Restructuring Agreement in July 2002, an August 2002
 
following emergence from
bankruptcy because of its inability to resolve its structural problems,
 
and a consequent second bankruptcy in September 2004, after which
 
its pilots had to make additional concessions of both pay and
 
all with the that of stand-alone reorganization creditors' committee it is plain that the career expectations of the US
Airways pilots were bleak indeed, with no prospect of growth or
 
significant advancement even through attrition, and the clear
 
 
possibility of no jobs at all.
 
 
The America West pilots maintain that the picture at their airline
 
 
was not at all similar; that the airline was strong and growing with a
"solid business model and LCC
 
structure." In addition to the evidence
 
 
of its financial performance
 
 
the fact is that
 
 
360 pilots, close to 20% of
 
the work force, had been hired between 11/4/02 and the date of the
 
 
returning furloughees. In addition, at the time of the merger, America
 
already taken delivery firm 19
 
all of which were to be delivered by 2007, which,
 
would have produced 300 West West Representatives concede that scheduled
 
the Company's ATSB potential liquidity
 
for the however, the evidence of
 
performance and the of financing as well as possibility of point where merit serious consideration.
 
one views the financial position of the position of US is viewed in the lights, the career expectations of the America West pilots on May
 
19, 2005 were far of the US Airways West also asserts consideration be given happened the merger and the negative effect have had on America pilots while benefiting who
 
Though US Airways was to return 25 aircraft as
 
 
from its fleet, 17
 
 
 
merger. This, in contrast to the picture at US Airways, where there
 
were no new hires after 4/7/00 and, as of the date of merger, no
 
the time of the merger, America
 
West had already taken delivery of 3 A320's and had orders for 19
 
 
others, all of which were to be delivered by January 2007, and which,
 
 
 
along with attrition, would have produced 300 new America West pilots.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
The America West Representatives concede that the scheduled
 
repayments of the Company's ATSB loan created potential liquidity
 
problems for the airline. They assert, however, that the evidence of
 
Company performance and the availability of financing as well as the
 
distinct possibility of principal payment postponement minimized such
 
concerns to the point where they do not merit serious consideration.
 
However one views the financial position of the carriers, and even if
 
 
the position of US Airways is viewed in the most of favorable lights, the
 
 
fact is that the career expectations of the America West pilots on May
 
19, 2005 were far superior to those of the US Airways pilots.
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West_Pilot_DFR_DJ/D13-3_WEST_PILOTS_EXCERPTS_OF_RECORD_Vol_II.pdf
 
 
 
MUTATIS MUTANDIS said:
Wow you had a pilots certificate in the 70's snap
I missed that ! Forgive me we are not worthy! Still buy a second tie your going to need itas a hanky!
 
I get the April Fool's joke from your profile. You have way too much interest to be retired.
 
Birthday April 1, 1949
 
;)
 
 
Pi brat said:
All 200 pages are written by your team, the same one that Judge Silver told was wrong the first time. She saidUSAPA did have a LUP, and not a DFR failure, hence the appeal. You guys seem to  think  if it's in writing from your team that it's a fact.
 
Humel gave a sworn deposition that Kirby was the driving force behind 10h. If your dream team wanted to drive home that it was really Symansky, why didn't they subpoena Kirby to blow that out of the water? He was right down the road. It could have blown USAPA's case out of the water. I suspect it's because it's a lie.
 
I'd ask aqua, but he seems to have run off again.
Aqua ran back to his grievance job. It is a great deal because west line pilots want his hide for the millions squandered for Marty.
Snap quotes Leonidas filings as if they were law. They are merely skewed and biased opinions with no legal standing.
Nice try Spinthis. We have been on to you for years.
 
Claxon said:
Aqua ran back to his grievance job. It is a great deal because west line pilots want his hide for the millions squandered for Marty.
Snap quotes Leonidas filings as if they were law. They are merely skewed and biased opinions with no legal standing.
Nice try Spinthis. We have been on to you for years.
Spinthis? Since you asked..View attachment 10382View attachment 10383

Consider it spun. :lol:
 
One other thing Clax.

Sadly, fear and intimidation, lies and distortions run rampant within the walls of USAPA.

That's from an Eastie..

I'm done with the fake union along with the stupidity and dysfunction.

End_of_USAPA


Letter from Eric Jordan

LETTER FROM ERIC JORDAN
(FORMER USAPA PHL DOMICILE REPRESENTATIVE)
Fellow Pilots,
Many of you have contacted me to find out why I resigned as the USAPA Philadelphia Vice Chairman. Here is the truth.
I ran for a seat on the BPR because I truly believed I could make a difference and facilitate what I thought was our shared goal of an industry standard contact based on date of hire. The USAPA constitution established the BPR to be run as a democracy by representative pilots elected from each crew base…one man (or woman), one vote. This system of self-government only functions effectively absent an opposing force of fear and intimidation operating from within or without. Sadly, fear and intimidation, lies and distortions run rampant within the walls of USAPA.

When I dared to have an opinion, voice an opinion or vote my conscience on any subject, no matter how mundane, I was ridiculed, isolated and chastised severely if it differed from the desire of our president. Even personal threats are commonplace. Case in point, as I walked to my gate one Sunday morning, I was accompanied by a pilot who “explained” to me that if guys cause trouble for Mike Cleary and don’t vote or agree with what he wants, “My guys are going to start making calls.” I asked what kind of calls and he replied, “calling wives, because a lot of guys have skeletons in their closets.” I asked him if he realized his actions had the potential of destroying families; his simple answer was “yes.”
In my case, the exclusion began even before I took office. I found out about our first base meeting along with the rest of the PHL pilot group through a Communications’ update. When I asked why I was not included in the planning or even informed, I was told, “You can’t make them all Eric.”
Throughout my eight months on the BPR, every stance I took was in thoughtful response to the expressed desires of the Philadelphia pilots who elected me. I was the only PHL rep to be elected by a majority rather than through default or run-off ballot. I consistently sought to do what was best for our entire PHL pilot group. However, any dissenting vote or opinion I had, no matter how mundane the subject, was twisted into something sinister and “Nic-loving” or I was labeled “in bed with the West.” Szpyrka and Gillies silenced me by putting out Philadelphia Updates (and joint Charlotte Updates) without my input or signature. The Communications committee refused me, a duly elected BPR member, an equal voice.
Board meeting behavior is beyond deplorable. I have served on several boards in my life, and have conducted both check airman meetings and chief pilot meetings. I have never been exposed to the immature conduct that occurs during a BPR meeting. Name-calling and snide remarks by certain reps are commonplace. It is expected that some discussions before a vote may get rather heated, but once a vote is called, you take the vote and move on. At a BPR meeting, even if the subject is for a routine business decision, if the vote does not go the direction the Charlotte representatives, and Szpyrka and Gillies want, the subject is revisited and revisited and revisited.
I have example after example of the “thug” mentality that prevails in our organization. Attack and deflect. Dare to disagree and you are falsely accused and your character, your intelligence and even your faith are maligned. One of their favorite tools is to label any dissenter “a friend of the West and therefore in favor of the NIC and against date of hire.” One of their favorite vehicles to distribute these lies is Bill Glynn’s website. It was confirmed to me, by Gillies himself, that they forward things to Glynn for publication that Cleary cannot put out through regular communication.
If you are satisfied with the way our last three years have played out with Mike Cleary and company, by all means vote for his group. If we were an NFL team, I think you have to agree; these last three seasons have been less than stellar. They have been nothing short of shameful and totally unacceptable. It is time to change the coaching staff.
The Officer elections are just days away from completion. Please vote today and take back our union.
I constantly receive phone calls and emails asking which candidates to vote for. I will not tell you “who” to vote for, but I will tell you whom I voted for:
Gary Hummel
Steve Bradford
Joe Stein
Rob Streble
Thank you for electing me as your Philadelphia Vice Chairman. I assure you, my DDR, Jamie Weidner, is doing an outstanding job and representing you extremely well. He is a man of integrity and is brilliant in business.
Eric Jordan
 
snapthis said:
One other thing Clax.

Sadly, fear and intimidation, lies and distortions run rampant within the walls of USAPA.

That's from an Eastie..

I'm done with the fake union along with the stupidity and dysfunction.

End_of_USAPA
 
 
 
snapthis said:
 
Here's the latest trend...
 
End_of_USAPA
 
You kids are going to be like Linus without his blanket :lol:
Speaking of intimidation and blankets;;;;;;;;;;;  
 
"On or about April 22, 2008, defendant John McIlvenna,(former america west alpa mec chairman) using electronic communication, threatened the safety of a US Airways pilot by stating that “I hope the
pilot group does not know about your plan to pay USAPA dues and join as a member,
else I fear for your safety.” Defendant McI is a member of the Board of Directors
of AWAPPA.

76. The defendants and their co-conspirators have harassed and intimidated a
pilot who was interested in becoming a USAPA representative by posting his telephone
number on the AWAPPA website and suggesting that a “couple HUNDRED strongly
worded [telephone] messages” may deter his participation with his union. The pilot has
determined not to become a USAPA representative, thereby depriving Phoenix-based US Airways pilots of representation within USAPA’s political structure.

77. The pilot referenced in paragraph 76 was forced to seek the assistance of
US Airways in dealing with multiple threats he received by both telephone and e-mail in
response to his interest in becoming a USAPA representative. One such electronic
communication sent on or about May 12, 2008, inquired as to when a “blanket party”
would be held for this pilot. Upon information and belief, a “blanket party” refers to a
method of assault in which attackers restrain and blind their victim by throwing a blanket over the victim’s head, and then strike the victim repeatedly. The same pilot has been subjected to the threat of a concerted effort by multiple pilots to put him on a “no fly” list in order to severely limit or eliminate his work opportunities."
 
nycbusdriver said:
No.  Your money is in the USAPA treasury!  :lol:   :lol:   :lol:
Consider it a loan. USAPA is already been warned of consequences if.....,

Figure the rest out.

Oh, one other thing.

End_of_USAPA

:lol:
 
snapthis said:
Consider it a loan. USAPA is already been warned of consequences if.....,
Figure the rest out.
Oh, one other thing.
End_of_USAPA
:lol:
. I feel the need for a countdown clock! No warning shall go unnoticed, now is that for the damages or is that for the end of the MTA when we will be close to PHX being closed and given to SWA and all of you commuting!
 
snapthis said:
I was a licensed pilot in the 1970's when your buddy Luv was in grade school. I've read it over and over again, yea we're the kids, bankrupt US Airways  bought America West with Lakefield's marvelous contacts. The very contacts he could not manage to pull Airways out of the gutter. The same guy who hired Parker and moved the HQ to Tempe.
 
The problem you have is the arbitrator saw through the BS before and will see it again. I'll give you 187 reasons in addition the 200 I provided in my previous post why you should be concerned. Look what a tie can buy.
 
What's in your wallet? Not my money.... :lol:
 
     
 
 
 

From this premise, America West contends that its pilots' career
expectations were dramatically better that those at US Airways. In the
 
 
America West view, US Airways was a failed carrier at the time of the
 
merger, an airline nearing liquidation. Its history shows a steady
 
decline in its fortunes, with no hiring at all between 1990 and 1998, an
 
unsuccessful Metrojet "airline within an airline" venture, an inability
 
because of government disapproval to merge with a then stronger
 
United Airlines, continuing furloughs after September 11, 2001, a
 
concessionary Restructuring Agreement in July 2002, an August 2002
 
following emergence from
bankruptcy because of its inability to resolve its structural problems,
 
and a consequent second bankruptcy in September 2004, after which
 
its pilots had to make additional concessions of both pay and
 
all with the that of stand-alone reorganization creditors' committee it is plain that the career expectations of the US
Airways pilots were bleak indeed, with no prospect of growth or
 
significant advancement even through attrition, and the clear
 
 
possibility of no jobs at all.
 
 
The America West pilots maintain that the picture at their airline
 
 
was not at all similar; that the airline was strong and growing with a
"solid business model and LCC
 
structure." In addition to the evidence
 
 
of its financial performance
 
 
the fact is that
 
 
360 pilots, close to 20% of
 
the work force, had been hired between 11/4/02 and the date of the
 
 
returning furloughees. In addition, at the time of the merger, America
 
already taken delivery firm 19
 
all of which were to be delivered by 2007, which,
 
would have produced 300 West West Representatives concede that scheduled
 
the Company's ATSB potential liquidity
 
for the however, the evidence of
 
performance and the of financing as well as possibility of point where merit serious consideration.
 
one views the financial position of the position of US is viewed in the lights, the career expectations of the America West pilots on May
 
19, 2005 were far of the US Airways West also asserts consideration be given happened the merger and the negative effect have had on America pilots while benefiting who
 
Though US Airways was to return 25 aircraft as
 
 
from its fleet, 17
 
 
 
merger. This, in contrast to the picture at US Airways, where there
 
were no new hires after 4/7/00 and, as of the date of merger, no
 
the time of the merger, America
 
West had already taken delivery of 3 A320's and had orders for 19
 
 
others, all of which were to be delivered by January 2007, and which,
 
 
 
along with attrition, would have produced 300 new America West pilots.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
The America West Representatives concede that the scheduled
 
repayments of the Company's ATSB loan created potential liquidity
 
problems for the airline. They assert, however, that the evidence of
 
Company performance and the availability of financing as well as the
 
distinct possibility of principal payment postponement minimized such
 
concerns to the point where they do not merit serious consideration.
 
However one views the financial position of the carriers, and even if
 
 
the position of US Airways is viewed in the most of favorable lights, the
 
 
fact is that the career expectations of the America West pilots on May
 
19, 2005 were far superior to those of the US Airways pilots.
 Ent
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West_Pilot_DFR_DJ/D13-3_WEST_PILOTS_EXCERPTS_e OF_RECORD_Vol_II.pdf
Read Bloch's take on things in the dispatcher arbitration. Way different from Nicolau's and time has proven, more towards the reality.

Naw, why educate yourself, just take AOLs word for it, they've never been wrong before! Oh wait...

I think we will be hearing from Mr. Bloch again soon.
 
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