2014 Pilot Discussion

[Claxon]

 
Sure... That's why your crapping your pants tonight.

You had nothing, you have nothing and you will have nothing.  phx is your short term future, then amongst former air cal, reno and twa pilots in DFW.  You will look back and wish for the days of doh with conditions and restrictions.  How about a combined jcba, that is all you needed but you grossly erred in judgment by fighting against one..
 
Your st nic is here and other predictions are the joke of this forum.
 
USAPA flew by in your lifetime similar to a stealth bomber, a moab.     It is gone soon but will return if you tread on the wrong individuals. 

 

[oscarjazz]

You said you will get 75,000 per year from the pbgc.
"PC5 and PC6 (All other nonguaranteed benefits)
Next, any remaining assets go to other benefits promised by the plan but not guaranteed by PBGC—for example, benefits that exceed PBGC's guarantee and that do not fall into any of the earlier priority categories. These benefits are in PC5 if they are nonforfeitable (generally, vested benefits); otherwise, they are in PC6. It is not typical for a plan that PBGC takes over to have enough assets or recoveries from employers to pay significant benefits in PC5 or PC6.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, but read the language again and you will see it agrees with my description exactly. My PC-5 benefits are non-guaranteed (i.e. not from the insurance coverage by the PBGC) and they exceed the PBGC guarantee. Since I had 20+ years when the pension was terminated, my entire benefit was vested (i.e. nonforfeitable).

Using the principle of Occam's razor, what is the simplest explanation. Did I find this obscure part of the PBGC statutes and then pretend that it existed for me, or did I find out that I had PC-5 benefits when someone explained the whole deal to me. You didn't even know this concept existed until today and I didn't know they existed until I was told I was getting them. 75K per year. That's the number. And yes, the math adds up.

I guess you guys are about to get an education about what being in the minority means. Lucky for you the APA would rather get paid than spend their time screwing each other over. JCBA in 60 days or less, arbitration soon after, then your fate is sealed. Buh-bye USAPA. The biggest boat anchor in the history of pilot contracts is gone.

 

[Claxon]

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, but read the language again and you will see it agrees with my description exactly. My PC-5 benefits are non-guaranteed (i.e. not from the insurance coverage by the PBGC) and they exceed the PBGC guarantee. Since I had 20+ years when the pension was terminated, my entire benefit was vested (i.e. nonforfeitable).

Using the principle of Occam's razor, what is the simplest explanation. Did I find this obscure part of the PBGC statutes and then pretend that it existed for me, or did I find out that I had PC-5 benefits when someone explained the whole deal to me. You didn't even know this concept existed until today and I didn't know they existed until I was told I was getting them. 75K per year. That's the number. And yes, the math adds up.

You are a delta pilot, you claimed something on the USAairways thread in this forum that was not true, that is my point.
 
alpa shill.

 

[Claxon]

america west pilot david braid, slide one, begging AMR management pilots for respect. 
 
david braid telling amr management pilots, who were recently in bk court, to dis pilots who were recently in bk court.
 
 
 

 
20XX “Merger” of America West and US Airways
Total number of pilots on the seniority list
•2005 East 3302 pilots, 1691 furloughed, 5089 on the seniority list, 105 CEL
•2007 East 3605 pilots, recalled 300, continued to recall
•2014 East 3715 pilots, ZERO furloughed, 658 new hires
2005 Second bankruptcy
•2005 West 1894 pilots, ZERO furloughed
•2007 West 1829 pilots
•2014 West 1609 pilots, 51 furloughed, 14 new hires
Still Separate Operations and Seniority List

 

[mrbreeze]

I think there are assumptions bouncing around out there that are inaccurate.
 
When East and West got involved with the SLI, they were both ALPA, which was voted out.
 
With the current situation, merging with AA, it is 2 different unions...APA and USAPA. The new merger policy, which is federal law now, states that when there is a merger where the pilots are represented by different unions (APA/USAPA) M/B and only M/B is the law and will handle the SLI, unless an agreement is reached ahead of time. 
 
USAPA represents the USAir pilots, East and West until the SLI is complete. The law states that the only way that West pilots get a seat at the table is if it is agreed to by the other parties.....USAPA and APA.
 
I am not concerned, the law is still on the side of USAPA, which has been decided in Silver's court.
breeze

 

[Claxon]

david braid slide, america west pilot, in front of AMR pilot management, dissing their new boss Mr. Parker and asking them to go against someone who helped right their ship and someone who could fire them in an instant.
 
a typical, real smart, west pilot in action.
 

david braid slide, to his new future enemies,  setting them straight.  (sarcasm)
 
Doug Parker, Promises and Commitments
Letter of Labor Principles
•Furloughed pilots would not bump active pilots. (James Anderson)
“I can’t tell you how thrilled the five of us East pilots flying in the West were when we got to return to the East in October, 2008 when the America West Las Vegas base was closed and Phoenix pilots were furloughed. ” James Anderson
•Stapling one pilot group would be unacceptable and unconscionable
•DOH is essentially a staple
•Desired a proportional integration
•Dragging out seniority integration is undesirable (Nine years still not done)
•The Nicolau is an arbitrated proportional list just like Doug Parker said he wanted.
•Nine year delay is the opposite of the stated goal of a quick resolution.
 
 
david braid follow up slide
 
Doug Parker, Crew News Statements
•24% of the West flying came from the East
•In reality 9% of the flying has been shifted to the East
•That comment has been turned by the East into we are doing 24% of their flying and therefore they should be 24% larger and the West should have 300 less pilots
•Without the merger the West would be 15%-30% smaller
•In reality the West with the merger is 19.7% smaller. While the East would have been 100% smaller when they liquidated but is now 19% larger
•This merger (AWA/USA) is going to be good for all of us

 

[Claxon]

david braid, coup d'etat  (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coup%20d%27%C3%A9tat)  thrust, slide presentation page, into the heart of AMR pilot management, who work under Mr. Parker
 
"The West Pilots
•Have done a fantastic job despite shrinking and watching all the growth and benefits go to the East pilots
•Been locked out and blocked from being a part of the airline
•Have played by the rules and been punished for it (Nicolau, injunction)
•Bad behavior by the East has been handsomely rewarded
•Have reached the end of our good humor and polite disposition
•Have dealt with uncertainty and disappointment for far to many years
•Going onto yet another merger with uncertainty about seniority and timeline.
•Possibly another two or three years. Waiting over a decade.
•The company has handed the East pilots evidence for seniority integration against the West
•Relied on statements and written commitments by Doug Parker CEO."
 
High School student would have gotten a C, and adult grade F in braid's presentation.  braid is from the generation where everyone gets a trophy and no score is kept.  Welcome to the jungle.

 

[EastUS1]

david braid slide, america west pilot, in front of AMR pilot management, ....
 
"•In reality the West with the merger is 19.7% smaller."
 

 
Reality continues to prove a troublesome concept for at least some "spartans". prechillil: (previously) "....the APA will be fair to us all". Most recently: "But I am going to settle with the Nic.  Looks like a rush of upgrades coming to the west pilots in 2015."/Res judicata: "The Nic isn't good enough for the West anymore. Stay tuned. You wanted a do over? Beware what you wish for."  Who could even possibly argue that just "In reality the West with the merger is 19.7% smaller", won't alone grant both of those their personal fantasies made "real"?

 

[Res Judicata]

 
Sure... That's why your crapping your pants tonight.

That's a lot of pant to fill!! Luckily Bo Jangles has fueled the tank.

 

[Res Judicata]

You are a delta pilot, you claimed something on the USAairways thread in this forum that was not true, that is my point.
 
alpa shill.

Hey Scab. Did you forget that you claimed to be a Northwest Pilot? Liar, Cheat, Failure...
 
USAPA SCAB.

 

[Res Judicata]

I think there are assumptions bouncing around out there that are inaccurate.
 
When East and West got involved with the SLI, they were both ALPA, which was voted out.
 
With the current situation, merging with AA, it is 2 different unions...APA and USAPA. The new merger policy, which is federal law now, states that when there is a merger where the pilots are represented by different unions (APA/USAPA) M/B and only M/B is the law and will handle the SLI, unless an agreement is reached ahead of time. 
 
USAPA represents the USAir pilots, East and West until the SLI is complete. The law states that the only way that West pilots get a seat at the table is if it is agreed to by the other parties.....USAPA and APA.
 
I am not concerned, the law is still on the side of USAPA, which has been decided in Silver's court.
breeze

Then you're dumber than I first thought. Guess what old sport? USAPA is dead. We're all going to be APA when SLI comes around. No MB. Get it? Silver Stripped the ball from you scabs. Now it's all on the APA and their DFR to ALL members. Just like USAPA had for the West. Sleep tight. If it was good enough for the West, it'll be good enough for you.

 

[EastUS1]

That's a lot of pant to fill!! Luckily Bo Jangles has fueled the tank.

 
Res Judicata: "Hey scab"..."You're even dumber than I thought", etc, ad nauseam. My honest guess is that the polygraph alone didn't tank your chances with the FBI. They also have at least a block or two to check on their psych evaluations regarding cohesive social viability and any applicant's potential to even "play well with others"....Just sayin'...

 

[snapthis]

http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West_Pilot_DFR_DJ/D13-1_West_Pilots_First_Cross_Appeal_Brief.pdf

Filed today...

 

[Claxon]

 
The West guys say they, too, had their complaints about Nicolau’s award.
“Nobody on our side was happy with it,” says Braid, a pilot who came up
through the America West system. “They’re calling him ‘St. Nick,’ like he
gave us a gift.” Not so, Braid says—it’s more that the West pilots understood
the process had been fair, that no one was going to get everything they wanted.
Unlike the East guys, they’d come in knowing that they’d have to
compromise.    reference;  http://www.silverfalcons.com/downloads/real_word/2008_fall.pdf

 

[Claxon]

http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West_Pilot_DFR_DJ/D13-1_West_Pilots_First_Cross_Appeal_Brief.pdf

Filed today...

AMR pilots beware, news flash, the west pilots are filing a brief in court.