2014 Pilot Discussion

[snapthis]

Do you really want a seat on your own, a bankrupt airline on the verge of liquidation, no future potential other than to ride on our coat tails...

You got one thing right....

"This was US Airways' second Chapter 11 filing since August 2002. The first filing came after federal regulators rejected a proposed merger with UAL Corp.'s United Airlines, followed by the industrywide collapse caused by the Sept. 11 attacks.
US Airways thought it had corrected its problems in the first bankruptcy, but it failed to anti-cipate rising fuel costs and rapidly increasing competition from low-cost carriers like Southwest Airlines (LUV), which began flying out of US Airways' hub in Philadelphia.
US Airways is one of four major U.S. carriers in bankruptcy protection, along with United Airlines, Delta and Northwest"

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/biztravel/2005-09-16-us-air_x.htm


In 2005, a financially solvent America West Airlines bought US Airways out of bankruptcy, creating one larger airline that kept the US Airways name.

At the end of November 2004, US Airways had more than 1,870, or nearly 33 percent, of its pilots on furlough. The airline has the largest amount of furloughs in the industry.

Under the terms of a transition agreement with ALPA for both carriers, America West must offer furloughed US Airways pilots any new pilot openings at America West.

US Airways had a significant number of pilots on furlough status at the time of the merger, so the parties agreed that America West could not hire new pilots until all furloughed US Airways pilots had been offered recall. Separate operations under separate seniority lists would continue until two events took place: the completion of an integrated seniority list and the negotiation of a single collective bargaining agreement. Within twelve months thereafter, operations would be consolidated under a single Federal Aviation Administration operating certificate and the single seniority list would govern.


The Pilot Furloughs
In the years since the merger, US Airways has offered recall to all of the East Pilots who were previously furloughed. Eight hundred of those pilots accepted recall. US Airways has brought in about 100 additional New Hires. But with the airline industry now in decline, US Airways has begun the process of furloughing approximately 300 pilots, starting on October 1, 2008. Because the furloughs are separately administered within each of the merged airlines, some West Pilots are being furloughed in the West Operations while East Pilots junior to them on the Nicolau merged seniority list are retained in the East Operations. US Airways may operate the two airlines separately under the plain terms of the Transition Agreement, but only because operations are not yet consolidated and a merged seniority list is not in effect. Allegedly, West Pilots are also being furloughed ahead of New Hires, which the Transition Agreement is claimed to proscribe even during separate operations.

 

[Claxon]

You got one thing right....
"This was US Airways' second Chapter 11 filing since August 2002. The first filing came after federal regulators rejected a proposed merger with UAL Corp.'s United Airlines, followed by the industrywide collapse caused by the Sept. 11 attacks.
US Airways thought it had corrected its problems in the first bankruptcy, but it failed to anti-cipate rising fuel costs and rapidly increasing competition from low-cost carriers like Southwest Airlines (LUV), which began flying out of US Airways' hub in Philadelphia.
US Airways is one of four major U.S. carriers in bankruptcy protection, along with United Airlines, Delta and Northwest"http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/biztravel/2005-09-16-us-air_x.htm
In 2005, a financially solvent America West Airlines bought US Airways out of bankruptcy, creating one larger airline that kept the US Airways name.
At the end of November 2004, US Airways had more than 1,870, or nearly 33 percent, of its pilots on furlough. The airline has the largest amount of furloughs in the industry.
Under the terms of a transition agreement with ALPA for both carriers, America West must offer furloughed US Airways pilots any new pilot openings at America West.
US Airways had a significant number of pilots on furlough status at the time of the merger, so the parties agreed that America West could not hire new pilots until all furloughed US Airways pilots had been offered recall. Separate operations under separate seniority lists would continue until two events took place: the completion of an integrated seniority list and the negotiation of a single collective bargaining agreement. Within twelve months thereafter, operations would be consolidated under a single Federal Aviation Administration operating certificate and the single seniority list would govern.
The Pilot Furloughs
In the years since the merger, US Airways has offered recall to all of the East Pilots who were previously furloughed. Eight hundred of those pilots accepted recall. US Airways has brought in about 100 additional New Hires. But with the airline industry now in decline, US Airways has begun the process of furloughing approximately 300 pilots, starting on October 1, 2008. Because the furloughs are separately administered within each of the merged airlines, some West Pilots are being furloughed in the West Operations while East Pilots junior to them on the Nicolau merged seniority list are retained in the East Operations. US Airways may operate the two airlines separately under the plain terms of the Transition Agreement, but only because operations are not yet consolidated and a merged seniority list is not in effect. Allegedly, West Pilots are also being furloughed ahead of New Hires, which the Transition Agreement is claimed to proscribe even during separate operations.

That was a long time ago. america west has a bankruptcy history also.
Today, the east operation and AA have huge hiring. The west operation? Treading water.
Make the best of today, for it is all we have.

 

[luvthe9]

What planet you live on?
 
The West is not going to help you fight APA for DOH no matter how many times you ask.

Their loss and that is fine by me, let them rot in PHX.


PS. Did you get the courage up to bid captain?

 

[luvthe9]

All flights to and from Tel Aviv cancelled. Rocket lands near airport.

 

[snapthis]

That was a long time ago. america west has a bankruptcy history also.
Today, the east operation and AA have huge hiring. The west operation? Treading water.
Make the best of today, for it is all we have.

It was a long time ago yet HP was not the airline in bankruptcy in 2005. Rather US Airways.

Agreed, make the best of today, for it is all we have.

I'm also optimistic of the future after Hale and Roghair's visit.

 

[Phoenix]

It was a long time ago yet HP was not the airline in bankruptcy in 2005. Rather US Airways.
Agreed, make the best of today, for it is all we have.
I'm also optimistic of the future after Hale and Roghair's visit.

You ARE optimistic! No one will deny you THAT! For the Nic, you need a contract. Good luck!

Keep your optimism.... It's a lot like today (all you have).

 

[700UW]

Question,
 
Are pilots and flight attendants pay protected for the canceled TLV flights to the conflict with Hamas?

 

[Crzipilot]

I believe the pilots are......pay protected,  some stipulations on it,  but believe they are.

 

[EastUS1]

It was a long time ago yet HP was not the airline in bankruptcy in 2005. Rather US Airways.
 

 
I'd gently suggest that there's precious little wisdom to be found in basing one's life on 9 year old "expectations", but suit yourself.
 
"Agreed, make the best of today, for it is all we have." Yep. We can at least agree there.
 
I wonder how the then heretical thought of allowing bids out of PHX by DOH, but into PHX by the nic looks to the west community now? "You'se" could have had that...Just sayin'.
 
P.S. I'll take the almost-immediately placed 2 "minus" votes as indicative of the nic-or-nothing crowd's expressions. Oh well...Enjoy PHX and the nothing/"whatever the consequence" part then. Any more even slightly reasonable group than yours wouldn't have ever found themselves stuck in your situation.

 

[EastUS1]

Eric Auxier, co anchor of Internet Trash Talk News, is a paragon on integrity.  Just read what he wrote about getting his job at a major airline. This is taken directly from his blog.
 
http://capnaux.com/bif-is-the-pilot-shortage-really-looming/
 
[After I pushed, shoved, lied, cheated, backstabbed, clawed and climbed my way into the airline cockpit, I came to realize that the LPS is one of the longest standing jokes among airline pilots] (after, of course, “Nice landing, Captain.”)]  (Note: LPS = Looming Pilot shortage)

 
"After I pushed, shoved, lied, cheated, backstabbed, clawed and climbed my way into the airline cockpit,"...?  Impossible sir! Note that even while the sad creature's doing his utmost to lie, sell out and back-stab his supposed "fellows", that he's none-the-less attired in an "Integrity Matters" T-shirt! 😉
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpSFvQ-0p2I&list=PL21C1C7D32B996827

 

[EastUS1]

Oh, one more thing: looking at lawsuits for years to come.

 
Quite possibly. Who should honestly care outside of PHX?

 

[Claxon]

Quite possibly. Who should honestly care outside of PHX?

The circle of life( PHX legal);
Fergie and Koontz stir up the troops with legal hope, Marty fans the flames, Wake carries it to a higher level, the 9th slaps it to earth, Fergie resurrects it, Koontz fans the flames, Marty takes the handoff, Silver runs with it, then she HAS to rule against it, Fergie picks it up, sells ties, puts out a Leonidas update, the troops buy the ties, and on and on..........

 

[EastUS1]

The circle of life( PHX legal);
Fergie and Koontz stir up the troops with legal hope, Marty fans the flames, Wake carries it to a higher level, the 9th slaps it to earth, Fergie resurrects it, Koontz fans the flames, Marty takes the handoff, Silver runs with it, then she HAS to rule against it, Fergie picks it up, sells ties, puts out a Leonidas update, the troops buy the ties, and on and on..........

 
Pretty much, but referencing all those years of "spartan" glee with "You can live on LOA93 forever!"/"..and we hate you!"/"The nic will be crammed down your throats.", etc....Well, huge batch lots of honest sympathy are just plain difficult to come by.
 
I must honestly wonder at how well all those incredibly inflated fantasies of excessive self- "relative"-worth are still playing out on the isolated little sheep-for-the-APA's-shearing-"island" of PHX these days....

 

[EastUS1]

Funny didn't see you there Jamie. Of course cleary no showed but Thuer's squeeze was in attendance. Just streble Hummel and les Edwards.

Of course the Safety committee chair no showed after being outed for moving Allegiant aircraft around the PHX area, using his I'm sure pristine iPad and QRH. The un-name FO was also east....Courtney, oh Courtney was that you? Seems the Allegiant pilots were none to happy about that....

Yes Hale caught an ear full. He needs to hear it from the source.

Maybe you insiders can't enlighten us on usapa's PA that would allow the TWA pilots a seat at the table also. What's symanski got cooked up? You going to let the empire and trump folks a seat too?

Maybe ole 3-300/17-1 will get a seat too....

 
Without even a hope of gaining any frothing-gibberish-to-english translation for the general lot of that, just "Yes Hale caught an ear full. He needs to hear it from the source." alone provides ample evidence that delusions of grandeur are (however amazingly) still alive and well out west. Within this "ear full": Did you make sure to tell him just why and how much "I hate every one of you'se!"...? 😉 I'll hope you at least made it very clear that everyone at American owes you, since you just "saved" them, and should naturally get all "the rewards" for your incredible generosity?....No?....? 🙂

 

[luvthe9]

The circle of life( PHX legal);
Fergie and Koontz stir up the troops with legal hope, Marty fans the flames, Wake carries it to a higher level, the 9th slaps it to earth, Fergie resurrects it, Koontz fans the flames, Marty takes the handoff, Silver runs with it, then she HAS to rule against it, Fergie picks it up, sells ties, puts out a Leonidas update, the troops buy the ties, and on and on..........

Pretty much sums up the last 7 or 8 years, when will the westies learn.