2014 Pilot Discussion

[luvthe9]

I understand that there is a lot of interest in the Phoenix Domicile meeting. Will there be new proposals which promotes unity? .

That will be up to all of you, tell your reps you are tired of being locked in PHX and watching all the growth go east. Get rid of those AOL clowns.

It's time for all this crap to end and end now!!!, The APA is not OUR friend.


Every bid that goes by is a loss for the west pilots, all of you could have been part of the growth, I have a hard time trying to comprehend you line of thinking, especially those 675 ties stop wasting your hard earned money.

 

[nevergiveup]

I understand that there is a lot of interest in the Phoenix Domicile meeting. Will there be new proposals which promotes unity?

It will be an interesting day indeed.

The west is NOT for sale! (I have been wrong before)

 

[CAVOK]

Why am I seeing all the "patriotic" ties lately. Is there something that in the works for unity>

 

[Phoenix]

Why am I seeing all the "patriotic" ties lately. Is there something that in the works for unity>

I'm considering buying one to help perpetuate the legal fiction, while separate ops lives long and prospers.

 

[Phoenix]

Anybody read the new bid?

 

[Al Legheny]

 
It's up on the leonidas site. http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/   The quoted material comes from the 6th paragraph down the page. An interesting fantasy from the 5th paragraph asserts the following, based on a supposed "ruling" (versus dicta) that never took place: "Should USAPA continue representing any US Airways pilot after decertification, they will individually and jointly be in contempt of Judge Silver’s order because she clearly ruled (at USAPA's urging) that USAPA could no longer represent any pilots after decertification." They apparently believe that only the mighty AOL would be able to engage in litigation after the APA becomes the union. This laughable notion is naturally coupled with the usual threats of suing everyone alive into oblivion, which has of course worked out so well for them thus far. I think there might have been something about getting "your little dog too!", but I'm not going to waste time re-reading any more of it. From just what dark cavern these "spartan" fantasies arise is anyone's guess...perhaps from the same pit that originally found them imagining the nic to have been "federal" and somehow sacrosanct arbitration?

 
A little research is all that is required to see where the Phoenix court erred.
 

Seniority Integration in Airline Mergers: ​

The Intended, And Unintended, Consequences of the McCaskill-Bond Act ​

By Tom A. Jerman and Aparna B. Joshi Jones Day Washington, D.C. ​

 ​

‘The apparent basis for Delta's argument was that efore passing the bill, however, Congress struck that [private cause of action] provision, leaving the legislation without any private right of action and remitting any such 'aggrieved person' to the arbitration mechanism created by Section 13 ... .. ,197 In the course of its decision, the district court noted in a footnote that there was no indication in the text of the statute that Congress intended to create a private cause of action but Delta's motion was based on lack of subject matter jurisdiction, not failure to state a claim, so it would nevertheless deny the motion. 98 The case was voluntarily dismissed by AFA in January 2012, after AFA was unsuccessful in organizing flight attendants employed by the merger carrier, and there was never any resolution in the Delta case of whether there was a private right of action.  The case was voluntarily dismissed by AFA in January 2012, after AFA was unsuccessful in organizing flight attendants employed by the merger carrier, and there was never any resolution in the Delta case of whether there was a private right of action.
The case was voluntarily dismissed by AFA in January 2012, after AFA was unsuccessful in organizing flight attendants employed by the merger carrier, and there was never any resolution in the Delta case of whether there was a private right of action under the statute.
In the Midwest case described below, the 7th circuit considered claims under McCaskill Bond on the merits without addressing whether there is a private cause of action.99   In light of the 7th circuit decision the argument that there is no private cause of action is not likely to gain traction.
 
 [SIZE=8pt][99 Comm. of Concerned Midwest Flight Attendants for Fair & Equitable Seniority Integration V. Int'l Bhd. Teamsters, 662 F.3d 954 (7th Cir. 2011).][/SIZE]
 
The court's holding that the Frontier pilot committee did not have authority to seek review of the decision, on the other hand, raises a question similar to that pursued by AFA in the Delta litigation -that is, whether the post-merger certification of a collective bargaining representative of the merged carrier alters or displaces the authority of the pre-merger collective bargaining representatives to pursue fair and equitable seniority integration on behalf of the pilots they represented prior to the merger. While the holding might be distinguished based on the specific terms of the arbitration agreement executed by all of the pre-merger unions prior to the arbitration, the CAB authority at least arguably gave the pre-merger unions the right to pursue fair and equitable seniority integration on behalf of their former constituents notwithstanding that another union had been certified to represent the employees prospectively.  [SIZE=8pt][And to engage in a private cause of action to defend that right to represent the former affected employees][/SIZE]
[SIZE=8pt]The same 7th Circuit holding recognized the Concerned Midwest Flight Attendants and AFA as having standing. [/SIZE]

 

[end_of_alpa]

Sounds like the meeting went well in PHX today. George Maliga REALLY pissed off John Hale. Sounds like AOL really made friends with AAL management today!

 

[Benz M-100]

Was this a "Town Hall" meeting?
 
Sounds like it may be entertaining if it is...

 

[Claxon]

Sounds like the meeting went well in PHX today. George Maliga REALLY pissed off John Hale. Sounds like AOL really made friends with AAL management today!

That is an understatement. Hale is furious. Nice job Addington group. Now AA mgt really figured you out.

 

[Claxon]

west pilot leaders.  Koontz quote, the nic is the list, settled in accordance  "which is now federal law."
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V0oGznLDKI

 

[Claxon]

Sounds like the meeting went well in PHX today. George Maliga REALLY pissed off John Hale. Sounds like AOL really made friends with AAL management today!

Nothing like seeing a full figured west pilot with a rain coat on, that sets the tone.  (sarcasm)

 

[Claxon]

tony anger and eric auxier, west pilots with raincoats on at 9:46 in the video.
 
Hale, I am sure, was intimidated by the west pilot anger, not tony, their emotions.  PHX is the epicenter of american airlines long term plans, how cruel can the west pilots get.   (sarcasm)
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjeGrwGFGCo&list=PL21C1C7D32B996827

 

[snapthis]

I've enjoyed the comments of those who heard how the meeting went today. I saw Hummel, Streble and Colello. There was no need for armed guards or paramedics.
 
Two observations:
 
Hale made it clear he does not decide seniority, therefore whatever he thinks of Maliga is not going to influence to outcome.
 
Roghair has heard both East and West views on seniority and is 99% sure of the West getting a seat at the bargaining table.
 
Conclusion, no worries.

 

[Phoenix]

Sounds like the meeting went well in PHX today. George Maliga REALLY pissed off John Hale. Sounds like AOL really made friends with AAL management today!

Great... Maybe I'll buy two ties to reward them for doing so well!!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Did Roghair buy a tie? Remember Genius is 99% perspiration and 1 % inspiration!  My guess he is out of deodorant and legal alternatives!