2014 Pilot Discussion

[EastUS1]

Liberal gibberish. Bottom line is the AWA agenda is a socialist one. It rewards those who showed up late quotas and positions for years never served.
 

 
Well put. Any and all childhood instruction I ever received directly inculcated the thought that one was supposed to actually EARN his/her position in life. There's absolutely NOTHING inherent in ANY foundational  American Ideals that ever even suggests complete nonsense to the contrary to be at all appropriate...ever...Period! "quotas" and "slotting" reflects a perverted "philosophy" best suited to half-azzed communists. On a more purely laughable basis outside of even American notions alone, should anyone be in need of a serious chuckle; just even try to imagine the real King Leonidas of Sparta EVER selecting his soldiers based on "relative" or "slotted" parameters....Yeah...I didn't think so either. 😉
 
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." Karl Marx, who was clearly a huge fan of "relative" worth. 😉
 
"Human rights can only be assured among a virtuous people. The general government . . . can never be in danger of degenerating into a monarchy, an oligarchy, an aristocracy, or any despotic or oppressive form so long as there is any virtue in the body of the people."
George Washington
 
I'll take a wild guess that cries of "This is sparta!"/"Integrity Matters" T-shirts/I don't-care-if-you've-worked-17-more-years-than-me, I wanna', even SHOULD be 'senior' to you!",  and even "liberty" ties fall somewhat short of demonstrating said virtue, much less successfully camouflage the wholesale lack thereof. 😉

 

[EastUS1]

Meltdown? Do you believe in global warming?

I don't buy into the my airplane contrail contributes to "climate change" liberal agenda crowd. I do believe in continental drift and see you paying the price in chasing the DOH dream will leave you adrift without a paddle
 

 
I'll spot ya' a shared chuckles moment snap. Given that, prior to the industrial era; the global population largely self-limited to at most around 2.4 billion people, and before any of us delve into the inherent "evils" of humankind's works on our planet and the effects of industrial technology in general; let's first examine the fact that well over 3 times the previously highest numbers of our species now live, and even eat/are at ALL sustainable due only to the "evils" of exploiting fossil fuels and chemistry. Umm...I ain't 'bout ta' lose any sleep over personally "inflicted" contrails either. 😉
 
Back to east-west nyaah, nyaahs. Whatcha' got for these?: "...should anyone be in need of a serious chuckle; just even try to imagine the real King Leonidas of Sparta EVER selecting his soldiers based on "relative" or "slotted" parameters....Yeah...I didn't think so either."  "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." Karl Marx, who was clearly a huge fan of "relative" worth. 😉 ...?

 

[EastUS1]

They believe only the best pilots were selected at their airline and everyone else just did not cut the mustard during the interview process. The losers went somewhere else, somewhere else being a lesser airline within the belief system hierarchy of airlines.

 
Are you even honestly suggesting that all at AWA could've easily gotten jobs at any/all of the majors, and instead elected to work at a place with the lowest pay/no pension/etc?....No offense, but...Umm...Seriously? Without wishing to rain on any "spartan" parade here; I well remember a squadron mate who, for whatever reasons, seemed to "flunk" interviews with several majors, who then went to AWA, just to hopefully enhance his resume. We all pretty much gave "group hugs" and told him to keep his spirits up, in that he'd hopefully get a real gig soon. After a few more months, he finally did, and bailed from AWA immediately.
 
In fairness: "only the best pilots" is an extremely presumptive accolade that can always change for ANY of us at any given moment, due to the whims of mechanical circumstance/Mother Nature/Lady Luck...or perhaps just plain Fate. "Dear God, Please don't let me f--k up" was good enough for Alan Shepard, and I've always felt it more than good enough for me. 😉 What I've never been able to even begin to understand is the mindless arrogance too often displayed by your group regarding a supposedly "perfect safety record" (total BS), much less anything that could even possibly explain the inherently infantile idiocy in those that mock the performance of the crew of FLT 1549/Hudson ditching, and fantasize themselves as some sort of at least demigods that would've done so much "better", if faced with the same conditions, etc. The sorry likes of your "cap'n aux", only self-styled-"battle" tested "knight" and grand "hero" among "the last bush pilots" ("Mayday! Mayday!...I'm going down!") defy any efforts at adult conversation, and serve only for a study of Arrested Development.

 

[flyer63]

Time for the west shenanigans to end. Since this cross metal BS. Have had.
One nasty note left under tray table. And then last trip two separate instances.
Log book hidden over under smoke mask bin on FO side. And APU generator tripped off line on purpose so when GPU power goes out in dark with pax aboard.
Knock it off children...

 

[Phoenix]

Are you even honestly suggesting that all at AWA could've easily gotten jobs at any/all of the majors, and instead elected to work at a place with the lowest pay/no pension/etc?....No offense, but...Umm...Seriously? Without wishing to rain on any "spartan" parade here; I well remember a squadron mate who, for whatever reasons, seemed to "flunk" interviews with several majors, who then went to AWA, just to hopefully enhance his resume. We all pretty much gave "group hugs" and told him to keep his spirits up, in that he'd hopefully get a real gig soon. After a few more months, he finally did, and bailed from AWA immediately.
 
In fairness: "only the best pilots" is an extremely presumptive accolade that can always change for ANY of us at any given moment, due to the whims of mechanical circumstance/Mother Nature/Lady Luck...or perhaps just plain Fate. "Dear God, Please don't let me f--k up" was good enough for Alan Shepard, and I've always felt it more than good enough for me. 😉 What I've never been able to even begin to understand is the mindless arrogance too often displayed by your group regarding a supposedly "perfect safety record" (total BS), much less anything that could even possibly explain the inherently infantile idiocy in those that mock the performance of the crew of FLT 1549/Hudson ditching, and fantasize themselves as some sort of at least demigods that would've done so much "better", if faced with the same conditions, etc. The sorry likes of your "cap'n aux", only self-styled-"battle" tested "knight" and grand "hero" among "the last bush pilots" ("Mayday! Mayday!...I'm going down!") defy any efforts at adult conversation, and serve only for a study of Arrested Development.

I was in the military too, and never new any colleague to actually turn in a resume at that airline.

 

[Freighterguynow]

Time for the west shenanigans to end. Since this cross metal BS. Have had.
One nasty note left under tray table. And then last trip two separate instances.
Log book hidden over under smoke mask bin on FO side. And APU generator tripped off line on purpose so when GPU power goes out in dark with pax aboard.
Knock it off children...

Did you document this and get the CP involved ?

 

[goneflyin]

Are you even honestly suggesting that all at AWA could've easily gotten jobs at any/all of the majors, and instead elected to work at a place with the lowest pay/no pension/etc?....No offense, but...Umm...Seriously? Without wishing to rain on any "spartan" parade here; I well remember a squadron mate who, for whatever reasons, seemed to "flunk" interviews with several majors, who then went to AWA, just to hopefully enhance his resume. We all pretty much gave "group hugs" and told him to keep his spirits up, in that he'd hopefully get a real gig soon. After a few more months, he finally did, and bailed from AWA immediately.
 

This is some funny sh!t!

When I got out of the Navy in 1987, any of my squadron mates accepting a job at USAir had their judgement questioned. In the unlikely event they stayed there (most of them left), they had their sanity questioned.

USAir, while technically a major airline, was mostly a regional carrier that flew big jets. Delta, American, United, and Northwest were the majors.

Had I been in a similar situation back then, I might have taken a chance on an upstart airline before going to the train wreck that was USAir.

GF
1987 Delta hire

 

[luvthe9]

This is some funny sh!t!

Had I been in a similar situation back then, I might have taken a chance on an upstart airline before going to the train wreck that was USAir.
GF
1987 Delta hire

Good for you!

 

[nycbusdriver]

This is some funny sh!t!

When I got out of the Navy in 1987, any of my squadron mates accepting a job at USAir had their judgement questioned. In the unlikely event they stayed there (most of them left), they had their sanity questioned.

USAir, while technically a major airline, was mostly a regional carrier that flew big jets. Delta, American, United, and Northwest were the majors.

Had I been in a similar situation back then, I might have taken a chance on an upstart airline before going to the train wreck that was USAir.

GF
1987 Delta hire

 
Back in the late 70s, when I left active duty for the reserves, I started searching for an airline job with great vigor.  I sent applications and resumes to every US carrier whose qualifications I met....except one: USAir.
 
I wanted nothing to do with that Pittsburgh outfit.  Nothing.  And the post-merger Schofield (banana management), Wolf, Siegel, Lakefield years merely showed how right my thinking had been when I was first job-hunting.
 
But with so many years already on the job, and almost half of them as a captain, walking away (rather than enduring the pain) was not something that seemed worth doing.  I would not call my USAir(ways) years a roller coaster ride.  Roller coasters have exhilarating uphill sequences, with at least some moments at the top.  It was 25 years of downhill.  For some of my colleagues, it included many years off the tracks and over the side.

 

[Zone5]

This is some funny sh!t!
When I got out of the Navy in 1987, any of my squadron mates accepting a job at USAir had their judgement questioned. In the unlikely event they stayed there (most of them left), they had their sanity questioned.
USAir, while technically a major airline, was mostly a regional carrier that flew big jets. Delta, American, United, and Northwest were the majors.
Had I been in a similar situation back then, I might have taken a chance on an upstart airline before going to the train wreck that was USAir.
GF
1987 Delta hire

In 1987, USAir was not a train wreck. They were a finacially strong, rapidly growing airline. Complete with lots of new aircraft on order (launch customer for the then new 737-300), fast upgrades to Captain (3 years+_), with arguably the best contract in the industry and plans for acquiring additional airlines to become a competitive major.

As it turned out, the then management at USAir's idea of a merger ended up more closely resembling a "mid-air"! Who knew!

So which "upstart airline" would you have chosen instead? Most of them are now long gone.

The then "majors" were either not hiring at all or at best very slowly, with huge numbers of pilots on their seniority lists. As I recall, American even had a "permanent" B-Scale then.

Had my "crystal ball" been working better back then, I would have taken that "freight dog" DC-8 F/E job I was offered by Evergreen in Atlanta. I would be in the top couple of hundred on the UPS list today! Oh well.


seajay

 

[im back..!!]

Holly Hegeman's Comments: July 8, 2014
 
 


Before we get to Laura, last week I had a chance to run a few questions past Neil Roghair, Allied Pilots Association VP, about how things look on the pilot side of the house.
The most burning question that everyone is asking of course is about the seniority question. Is there any chance that there will be a negotiated seniority agreement?
Neil's answer? No.
"There is zero chance of a negotiated seniority list. It is the most complex integration in the history of seniority integrations. But that isn't to say that there might not be a few issues that we negotiate which trim down the issues for the arbitrators to address," he explained.
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Wasnt to hard for the flight attendants, and any other group, they went DOH... How simple.

 

[767one]

Did you document this and get the CP involved ?

 
 
You have to make it an issue when it happens by delaying the flight until it is resolved. That is the only way it will get fixed.

 

[767one]

In 1987, USAir was not a train wreck. They were a finacially strong, rapidly growing airline. Complete with lots of new aircraft on order (launch customer for the then new 737-300), fast upgrades to Captain (3 years+_), with arguably the best contract in the industry and plans for acquiring additional airlines to become a competitive major.

As it turned out, the then management at USAir's idea of a merger ended up more closely resembling a "mid-air"! Who knew!

So which "upstart airline" would you have chosen instead? Most of them are now long gone.

The then "majors" were either not hiring at all or at best very slowly, with huge numbers of pilots on their seniority lists. As I recall, American even had a "permanent" B-Scale then.

Had my "crystal ball" been working better back then, I would have taken that "freight dog" DC-8 F/E job I was offered by Evergreen in Atlanta. I would be in the top couple of hundred on the UPS list today! Oh well.


seajay

 
 
Well said Seajay!

 

[traderjake]

Wasnt to hard for the flight attendants, and any other group, they went DOH... How simple.

 
You don't understand how we are different from flight attendants and any other group?
 
What a simpleton.

 

[luvthe9]

You don't understand how we are different from flight attendants and any other group?
 
What a simpleton.

I forgot. You were the first to fall over yourself to take concessions and surrender your benefits far more than anyone else, and get them back later. Real men of genius.
You truly are the simpleton.