2014 Pilot Discussion

[traderjake]

https://public.alliedpilots.org/apa/AboutAPA/APAPublicNews/tabid/843/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/4610/Attention-Pilots-on-Reserve-in-the-Month-of-July.aspx
 
"You may have seen APA's seniority integration protocol proposal last week and a subsequent USAPA Merger Committee blast accusing the APA Seniority Integration Committee of blindsiding them with a "regressive" proposal. Although we have been patient in an attempt to forge an acceptable agreement, it is now time to set the record straight on some of the misrepresentations contained in the USAPA Merger Committee blast
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To be blunt, USAPA's version of events is fiction. USAPA leadership specifically and directly solicited this latest protocol proposal from the Seniority Integration Committee. USAPA's merger counsel was also briefed on the likely content of the protocol document several days before receipt. USAPA's abject failure to communicate these facts erodes the very foundation of trust necessary for any further negotiations. It is now apparent to us, just as it was to Judge Silver in the Addington v. USAPA DFR decision, that USAPA is using these tactics, including reneging on its bargain under the MOU and litigating the McCaskill-Bond process in court, with the express goal of delaying the NMB single-carrier finding."

 

[EastUS1]

https://public.alliedpilots.org/apa/AboutAPA/APAPublicNews/tabid/843/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/4610/Attention-Pilots-on-Reserve-in-the-Month-of-July.aspx
 
 It is now apparent to us,......

 
 
A small point of personal curiosity here trader: Just exactly who is this "us" you so lovingly and unquestionably support?...? 😉 Don't tax yourself too extremely, since even your magnificent mentor chip's entirely incapable of actual engagement and ever providing any semblance of rational argument.
 
No matter really. I can happily take away from today the fact that snapthis and myself can at least agree on not only jump seat issues but the value of decent coffee, so I must feel there's yet hope for us all here. 🙂

 

[USA320Pilot]

APA’s Seniority Integration Proposal: The Facts, has been placed on their website, made available to the news media, and emailed to 9,800 AA pilots. According to an interested party, “I'm sure these pilots will be advising their friends of the message. Any remaining pilots within our industry who didn't know about USAPA and its antics are probably now even more in the loop. Already the message has been chain-mailed and has found its way to thousands more pilots. Stand tall, USAPA followers.”

I believe this individual is right and USAPA and its supporters will not be viewed favorably in the pilot profession because they will be viewed as non-transparent and lack integrity. Why? These people cannot make the right decision when that decision results in financial loss and personal pain.

USAPA entered into the MOU which modified the M-B statue that clearly establishes the APA as the sole bargaining agent before an ISL is established and a JCBA is obtained. It’s time for all New American pilots and USAPA to recognize this and for USAPA to stop focusing on a 5,000 pilot ISL and not a 15,000 pilots ISL. 
 
USAPA cannot stop a 3-way ISL arbitration, with an APA, East and West MC. And, USAPA cannot stop an autonomous West MC from introducing to the M-B BOA the Nicolau Award and the West MC's view of a F&E list. 
 
USAPA's gig is up and it's time for the union to represent all US Airways pilots fairly and not a segment of the pilot group at the expense of others.

 

[EastUS1]

APA’s Seniority Integration Proposal: The Facts, has been placed on their website, made available to the news media, and emailed to 9,800 AA pilots. According to an interested party, “I'm sure these pilots will be advising their friends of the message. Any remaining pilots within our industry who didn't know about USAPA and its antics are probably now even more in the loop. Already the message has been chain-mailed and has found its way to thousands more pilots. Stand tall, USAPA followers.”

I believe this individual is right and USAPA and its supporters will not be viewed favorably in the pilot profession because they will be viewed as non-transparent and lack integrity. Why? These people cannot make the right decision when that decision results in financial loss and personal pain.

USAPA entered into the MOU which modified the M-B statue that clearly establishes the APA as the sole bargaining agent before an ISL is established and a JCBA is obtained. It’s time for all New American pilots and USAPA to recognize this and for USAPA to stop focusing on a 5,000 pilot ISL and not a 15,000 pilots ISL. 
 
USAPA cannot stop a 3-way ISL arbitration, with an APA, East and West MC. And, USAPA cannot stop an autonomous West MC from introducing to the M-B BOA the Nicolau Award and the West MC's view of a F&E list. 
 
USAPA's gig is up and it's time for the union to represent all US Airways pilots fairly and not a segment of the pilot group at the expense of others.

 
 
A truly marvelous "argument" indeed, at least for either a sea sponge or mud brick. What is it about you that completely prohibits your ever even attempting shared discourse, much less even the slghtest semblance of functional argument? No need to strain yourself excessively there. As a student of psychology; I understand your illness and the resulting limitations. Just a kindly suggestion: If you've defensively endured through placing yourself in only the smallest of ponds, so's to imagine yourself a big fish,...try swimming out into the open ocean someday for a bit of personal growth.

 

[Phoenix]

If the APA had something productive to say they would talk to the judge. But as it is, by their brazen proposal that aims to divide USAPA into two unions, they have added proof to the judge that they must be compelled to abide by the law, as they presently flout it.

 

[A320 Driver]

I believe this individual is right and USAPA and its supporters will not be viewed favorably in the pilot profession because they will be viewed as non-transparent and lack integrity. Why? These people cannot make the right decision when that decision results in financial loss and personal pain.

 

Always with "this indivdual", "a reliable source", or some other unnamed entity. You love to quote these to suit your own purpose. Why don't you support an M-B arbitration with USAPA and APA handing over the three lists in use at this airline? A West MC has no standing per Judge Silver.
If anyone is being viewed unfavorably in this industry, it is YOU!!! Your BS cost many of us thousands. You have no credibility with anyone with a brain. Don't you know that most people laugh at the mention of your name? Do yourself a favor and bow out.

 

[EastUS1]

If the APA had something productive to say they would talk to the judge. But as it is, by their brazen proposal that aims to divide USAPA into two unions, they have added proof to the judge that they must be compelled to abide by the law, as they presently flout it.

 
Pretty much, and any that can even willfully miss that amaze me. The APA's all about their own, and none should be at all surprised by that, especially given their established history. While the process of seniority and integration goes on; they will necessarily play their part as an adversary, wholly intent on promoting their own interests, which should surprise no one.

 

[traderjake]

If the APA had something productive to say they would talk to the judge. But as it is, by their brazen proposal that aims to divide USAPA into two unions, they have added proof to the judge that they must be compelled to abide by the law, as they presently flout it.

 
Your fear of a 3 way on a level playing field is noted.

 

[traderjake]

Your BS cost many of us thousands.

 
Sorry to hear you took a stock tip from an airline pilot seriously.
 
How much did 5 more years of LOA 93 cost us? 

 

[EastUS1]

 
Sorry to hear you took a stock tip from an airline pilot seriously.

 
I'll certainly take none from you then, so no worries "trader". 😉

 

[Phoenix]

Your fear of a 3 way on a level playing field is noted.

If you have a legal point to make... Here is your chance. Don't miss it. 😀

 

[EastUS1]

Always with "this indivdual", "a reliable source", or some other unnamed entity.

 
Imaginary friends often attend a life lived inside Fantasyland. That poster's trademarks there are that all such are never identified, or directly quoted by name and/or universally available reference of any kind....How "convenient" is that for fantasy sustaining?

 

[Metroyet]

If you have a legal point to make... Here is your chance. Don't miss it. 😀

If the APA wants a 3 way SLI, that's their prerogative as the CBA Once certified. End of story. If a subsection of pilots doesn't like it, they can fund their own lawsuit after a ratified contract containing said SLI. What's the matter? Don't trust the APA's respect for DFR?

I'm sure they will take it as seriously as USAPA has.

 

[EastUS1]

If the APA wants...
 

 
Is a matter for the courts to yet determine to be permissible or not. You've never been proved right so much as once, so your "vote" here is most encouraging. 😉
 
"What's the matter? Don't trust the APA's respect for DFR?" Only the most hapless, village idiots would or even possibly could. Did you entirely miss their treatment of TWA/etc?

 

[traderjake]

If you have a legal point to make... Here is your chance. Don't miss it. 😀

 
I'll leave that to pilots who fancy themselves lawyers.