2014 Pilot Discussion

[EastUS1]

traderjake, on 24 Jun 2014 - 4:10 PM, said: Sorry to hear you took a stock tip from an airline pilot seriously.
 

I'll leave that to pilots who fancy themselves lawyers. 

 
Presumably then; one must equally apply that logic to any "pilots" who fancy themselves a "trader"?

 

[snapthis]

If the APA wants a 3 way SLI, that's their prerogative as the CBA Once certified. End of story. If a subsection of pilots doesn't like it, they can fund their own lawsuit after a ratified contract containing said SLI. What's the matter? Don't trust the APA's respect for DFR?
I'm sure they will take it as seriously as USAPA has.

I found some soon to be vacant office space in Charlotte for USAPA LLC.

Let's see if they can afford a lease.

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[EastUS1]

I found some soon to be vacant office space in Charlotte for USAPA LLC.
 

 
 
I must ask what the latest "spartan T-minus" countdown clock is set for there? Just curious...? 😉
 
No matter. A fresh cuppa' java's calling. West-East Nyaah, Nyaah's aside: Suggested for your/all's consideration in home brew's the following snap: http://lifehacker.com/five-best-coffee-makers-500592468

 

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APA’s Seniority Integration Proposal: The Facts, has been placed on their website, made available to the news media, and emailed to 9,800 AA pilots. According to an interested party, “I'm sure these pilots will be advising their friends of the message. Any remaining pilots within our industry who didn't know about USAPA and its antics are probably now even more in the loop. Already the message has been chain-mailed and has found its way to thousands more pilots. Stand tall, USAPA followers.”

I believe this individual is right and USAPA and its supporters will not be viewed favorably in the pilot profession because they will be viewed as non-transparent and lack integrity. Why? These people cannot make the right decision when that decision results in financial loss and personal pain.

USAPA entered into the MOU which modified the M-B statue that clearly establishes the APA as the sole bargaining agent before an ISL is established and a JCBA is obtained. It’s time for all New American pilots and USAPA to recognize this and for USAPA to stop focusing on a 5,000 pilot ISL and not a 15,000 pilots ISL. 
 
USAPA cannot stop a 3-way ISL arbitration, with an APA, East and West MC. And, USAPA cannot stop an autonomous West MC from introducing to the M-B BOA the Nicolau Award and the West MC's view of a F&E list. 
 
USAPA's gig is up and it's time for the union to represent all US Airways pilots fairly and not a segment of the pilot group at the expense of others.

I KNOW THIS INDIVIDUAL LEGALLY (AOL amended complaint) ASKED:
 
"132. The West Pilots are entitled, pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 2201, to an order declaring that they have party status and the right (but not the obligation) to participate fully (with counsel of their own choice) in the MOU Seniority Integration process."
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West_Pilot_DFR_DJ/Doc_134_Plaintifs_Amended_Complaint.pdf
 
I KNOW THIS INDIVIDUAL (Judge Silver) ANSWERED AND ORDERED:
 
"In addition, allowing the involvement of any employee or group of employees with sufficiently distinct interests would be an invitation to chaos; the seniority integration process cannot accommodate the participation of whoever might be affected by the final result. Therefore, the process contemplated by McCaskill-Bond allows only the certified bargaining representatives to participate in seniority integration proceedings."
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West_Pilot_DFR_DJ/Order.pdf
 
I KNOW APA IS JUDICIALLY ESTOPPED FROM ALLOWING AOL TO PARTICIPATE:
 
"IT IS FURTHER ORDERED the Clerk of Court is directed to enter judgment in favor of Defendant US Airline Pilots Association on Count I and Count IV, a judgment in favor of US Airways, Inc. on Count II, and a judgment of dismissal without prejudice on Count III."
 
I KNOW THE STATUTE LEGALLY PROTECTS USAPA AND US AIRWAYS PILOTS FROM THE APA DOING WHAT IT DID TO TWA.
 
USAPA = +$+$+$+$+$+$+$+$+$
APA = -$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$
AOL = SH+IT
 
See you in court.....OH YEAH, BEEN THERE DONE THAT.

 

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I found some soon to be vacant office space in Charlotte for USAPA LLC.

Let's see if they can afford a lease.

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Millions in the bank and good luck suing USAPA and the officers for the money afterwards.  USAPA will be around for quite sometime with plenty of money to fend off you, the APA and the company in the legal forum.

 

[Metroyet]

Is a matter for the courts to yet determine to be permissible or not. You've never been proved right so much as once, so your "vote" here is most encouraging. 😉

You're as far from an integrated DOH list as you've ever been. Once the APA takes over, USAPA evaporates and returns the dues money, (unless someone wants to go to jail). There really isn't any mystery to this. They have a DFR to all pilots. That should be all you need to know to put any future fairness concerns to rest.

 

[Monkee]

APA’s Seniority Integration Proposal: The Facts, has been placed on their website, made available to the news media, and emailed to 9,800 AA pilots. According to an interested party, “I'm sure these pilots will be advising their friends of the message. Any remaining pilots within our industry who didn't know about USAPA and its antics are probably now even more in the loop. Already the message has been chain-mailed and has found its way to thousands more pilots. Stand tall, USAPA followers.”

I believe this individual is right and USAPA and its supporters will not be viewed favorably in the pilot profession because they will be viewed as non-transparent and lack integrity. Why? These people cannot make the right decision when that decision results in financial loss and personal pain.

USAPA entered into the MOU which modified the M-B statue that clearly establishes the APA as the sole bargaining agent before an ISL is established and a JCBA is obtained. It’s time for all New American pilots and USAPA to recognize this and for USAPA to stop focusing on a 5,000 pilot ISL and not a 15,000 pilots ISL. 
 
USAPA cannot stop a 3-way ISL arbitration, with an APA, East and West MC. And, USAPA cannot stop an autonomous West MC from introducing to the M-B BOA the Nicolau Award and the West MC's view of a F&E list. 
 
USAPA's gig is up and it's time for the union to represent all US Airways pilots fairly and not a segment of the pilot group at the expense of others.

 
Can someone send USAPA the book "How to Win Friends and Influence People"
 
I swear, no union can be that laughably inept unless they really really try.
 
The never ending, slow motion train wreck of USAPA.....

 

[EastUS1]

You're as far from an integrated DOH list as you've ever been.

 
And yet, 7+ years later, the bids keep coming out, and your "the nic will be crammed down your throats!" people remain marooned in PHX....Who cares about "integrated"?...Outside of PHX, that is? Can you honestly even begin to imagine that the east or APA folks lie awake at night fervently dreaming of just how soon they could have the chance to bid into PHX?...Seriously? 😉
 
Ah!...Smelling that fresh-pressed coffee! Continue to whine away at your pleasure.

 

[snapthis]

Millions in the bank and good luck suing USAPA and the officers for the money afterwards.  USAPA will be around for quite sometime with plenty of money to fend off you, the APA and the company in the legal forum.

How much are you going to have left when the APA comes knocking?

 

[EastUS1]

That should be all you need to know ....

 
Well...Proper apologies, but I was never cargo on the same turnip truck as yourself. 😉 Good luck with your continued fantasies.

 

[USA320Pilot]

USAPA President's Message: June 24, 2014
 
Fellow Pilots,

“Let us never negotiate out of fear. But let us never fear to negotiate.” - John F. Kennedy Inaugural Address
 
By now, you have probably read the USAPA Merger Committee’s June 20 update on the Protocol Agreement and APA’s response to it. As pilots, you have witnessed many contract negotiations over the years and the occasional hyperbolic language that sometimes accompanies it. What we’re seeing now is no exception.
 
Hyperbole can be dangerous. Hyperbolic language between Kennedy and Khrushchev at the Vienna Summit in 1961 escalated a year later into the Cuban Missile Crisis. For the month of October in 1962 the world believed that the two super powers would most certainly be going to war. Thankfully a truce ensued, and paradoxically, the Cuban Missile Crisis led to an immediate improvement in US-Soviet relations.
 
USAPA is committed to representing the interests of all of our pilots in the Seniority List Integration (SLI) process. That means protecting their rights under McCaskill-Bond, leading to a fair and equitable SLI through a neutral arbitration process. The Officers, the BPR, and our pilots fully support our Merger Committee. We are committed to working with the APA and have attempted to secure a fair Protocol Agreement for quite some time. We will not tire until the job is done.
 
Yesterday I asked the APA leadership to meet with USAPA to negotiate a fair Protocol Agreement. I await their response in good faith and refrain from any additional rhetoric. Only with a fair agreement can we withdraw the pending McCaskill-Bond Injunction action.
 
We will not waive our rights under McCaskill-Bond and look forward to reaching an agreement that fully protects the rights of ALL pilots until the SLI is complete.
 
It’s time to end the hyperbole and disarm the missiles. Our Merger Committee stands ready for détente.

 

[EastUS1]

USAPA President's Message: June 24, 2014
 
We will not waive our rights under McCaskill-Bond and look forward to reaching an agreement that fully protects the rights of ALL pilots until the SLI is complete.
 

 
So...What's your big problem with that? No reply will be forthcoming, since you've so well and for so long proven yourself demonstrably incapable of ever offering up any semblance of cogent, actual "thought"....
 
Your mindless blathering would bore a colony of unusually stupid sea sponges into complete comas. Either step up, speak and actually argue, or just "quote" some more imaginary friends of yours and get lost. 😉
 
What you'll actually do though, is continue posting mindless drivel, pretending yourself somehow "above" personal interaction at any level, since, if ever engaged in even the slightest actual conversation; you knowingly fear you might quickly prove yourself an utter fool....?  As I'd noted as a student of psychology; your sort's in no way any great mystery.
 
A side question to traderjake: What is it about this emotionally crippled halfwit that so entrances you as a follower?

 

[RSVP767]

 
I'll agree this merger and airline environment is completely different than what APA faced with handling Reno and TWA.

 
You're right.  This time AA was the bankrupt carrier.

 

[USA320Pilot]

USAPA President's Message: June 24, 2014
 
Fellow Pilots,

“Let us never negotiate out of fear. But let us never fear to negotiate.” - John F. Kennedy Inaugural Address
 
By now, you have probably read the USAPA Merger Committee’s June 20 update on the Protocol Agreement and APA’s response to it. As pilots, you have witnessed many contract negotiations over the years and the occasional hyperbolic language that sometimes accompanies it. What we’re seeing now is no exception.
 
Hyperbole can be dangerous. Hyperbolic language between Kennedy and Khrushchev at the Vienna Summit in 1961 escalated a year later into the Cuban Missile Crisis. For the month of October in 1962 the world believed that the two super powers would most certainly be going to war. Thankfully a truce ensued, and paradoxically, the Cuban Missile Crisis led to an immediate improvement in US-Soviet relations.
 
USAPA is committed to representing the interests of all of our pilots in the Seniority List Integration (SLI) process. That means protecting their rights under McCaskill-Bond, leading to a fair and equitable SLI through a neutral arbitration process. The Officers, the BPR, and our pilots fully support our Merger Committee. We are committed to working with the APA and have attempted to secure a fair Protocol Agreement for quite some time. We will not tire until the job is done.
 
Yesterday I asked the APA leadership to meet with USAPA to negotiate a fair Protocol Agreement. I await their response in good faith and refrain from any additional rhetoric. Only with a fair agreement can we withdraw the pending McCaskill-Bond Injunction action.
 
We will not waive our rights under McCaskill-Bond and look forward to reaching an agreement that fully protects the rights of ALL pilots until the SLI is complete.
 
It’s time to end the hyperbole and disarm the missiles. Our Merger Committee stands ready for détente.

 
USAPA’s M-B protections are not threatened by APA. This dispute is about two things: USAPA wanting to act like a union post SCS so certain people can remain relevant and on FPL and USAPA trying to staple virtually the entire West pilot group to the bottom of the US Airways SL prior to the M-B ISL arbitration, if held.

Jess Pauley and USAPA’s misleading communications has now isolated US Airways’ pilots in the ISL process. What should we expect from a MC Chairman who is a rookie and has never served on a MC before? 

Now USAPA wants to re-engage APA after USAPA’s true agenda was exposed with the public communication between APA and USAPA. With USAPA's true agenda and lack of transparency now exposed Gary Hummel is now asking for forgiveness; but I doubt APA will listen. Would you listen or want to work with people who lack character, are not transparent, or cannot keep a deal (LOA 96, Section 4 or multiple times in the MOU)? The recent events will almost certainly have a major impact on the NMB’s pilot SCS decision. And, I suspect APA will now just sit back in the catbird’s seat and wait for the NMB to rule so APA can:

- Ensure smooth and amicable integration with the pilots of US Airways.
- Be committed to the process that we all agreed to and ratified in the MOU.
- Take its duty of fair representation to all American Airlines pilots seriously.

The good news is that USAPA is likely on its way out, the pilots will obtain a 1.45% net pay increase shortly, and the pilots will no longer see the UELs continue with actions that are almost identical to those taken by their predecessor UELs that prevented the DB Retirement Plan from being frozen and LOA 93 becoming the first airline union concession greeter than the company’s “ask”. 

 

[EastUS1]

 
USAPA’s M-B protections are not threatened by APA.

 
"No reply will be forthcoming, since you've so well and for so long proven yourself demonstrably incapable of ever offering up any semblance of cogent, actual "thought"....What you'll actually do though, is continue posting mindless drivel, pretending yourself somehow "above" personal interaction at any level, since, if ever engaged in even the slightest actual conversation; you knowingly fear you might quickly prove yourself an utter fool....?  As I'd noted as a student of psychology; your sort's in no way any great mystery."
 
Sigh!...I rest my case.