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Greetings Phoenix Based Pilots!

ERP??!!

We hope this update finds you all well and rested. If you have been keeping up, you will have read an update from the USAPA Business Intelligence Committee (that includes PHX-based pilot, Johan deVicq). The update told you of a second ERP (Efficiency Recovery Program) payout that pertains specifically to our Contract 2004. This established another payment for the Phoenix based pilots, which you all should have received earlier this month. We would like to extend a very special thanks to Johan deVicq and the Business Intelligence Committee for their hard work & perseverance in keeping one of the many facets of our contract on the front burner!

MTA (Merger Transition Agreement) IMPROVEMENTS (or not)...

While many of USAPAs communications go unread or unnoticed, we would encourage you to pay special attention to the frequent updates coming from the NAC (Negotiating Advisory Committee). These updates will keep you informed of multiple and progressive changes to our contract in many areas (including pay schedule) as it pertains to the implementation of the JCBA, MOU & MTA. To that end, the Brake Released, Ready for Departure policy has now been implemented.

Here is the primary text:

..in the event of a delay at the gate awaiting pushback, powerback or taxi out due to flight time pay and credit will begin...

If you experience an event like this, both crew members must complete a form requesting the pay and attach supporting documentation (copy of pairing and ACARS for the leg you are requesting a correction). You can pick up the forms in the Crew Room / Chief Pilots office.

Other improvements for the Phoenix pilots include:

· Premium Pay: Our Red Flag and Involuntary Assignment trips will all be 150% effective July 1st.
· Sick-If-Needed (Reserve): Implemented May 2, 2014. Also, the company has agreed to restore sick hours to all eligible Reserve pilots charged sick hours who would not have had their sick hours debited under the new program.

NEW FACES COMMETH to PHX!
There remains some debate about all of the US Airways Check Airmen being able to do training events for any pilot from any base. After all, the America West/US Air merger took place nine years ago, way back in 2005. We are one airline, right? We are one FAA certificate. Period. We have been assured by upper management that this ridiculous segregation has (or will soon) come to a stop. If you have a training event with a Check Airman that you dont recognize or you suspect may come from another US Airways pilot base, please introduce yourselves and perform like the competent professionals that we know you all are. This is long overdue.
FIGHT AT THE OK CORRAL.
We will be having the second quarter BPR meeting in Charlotte, NC. The meeting is being held at USAPA WWHQ at 0900, Wednesday June 25, 2014 through Thursday June 26, 2014, concluding at 1700 (or the close of business).
As you may recall, USAPA sent a proposed Merger Protocol Agreement to APA on April 29th of this year. APA responded on June 18th. Surprisingly the USAPA Merger Committee stated that APA is refusing to negotiate (after they were told there would be no counter-proposal.)
These very recent developments should make for an entertaining BPR meeting. We encourage all members in good standing to attend as your schedule allows. So often these meetings are almost exclusively attended by Charlotte-based pilots, so your attendance and support would be greatly appreciated. The BPR won't be around forever, so don't miss you opportunity to witness history now!
IS THE HAND WRITING (FINALLY) ON THE WALL?
Finally, it is our hope that the NMB will finally rule on the Single Carrier Status of our combined airline. This is an important step to integrating the new airline and being represented by common union with fewer competing interests. As such, this will curtail and perhaps finally end all of the delay tactics and schemes that the USAPA leadership has engineered to keep our airlines separate for the better part of a decade. The supporters and enablers of USAPA are finally getting the raise they could have gotten as early as 2007 with the Kirby Proposal. It is our opinion that a swift conclusion to the completed merger of US Airways and American Airlines will finally allow all of our pilots to actually benefit from the growth and prosperity of a single airline.
We will plan for a schedule a Phoenix Base meeting shortly. We look forward to having any and all of you there to celebrate these positive changes for us all.

Please be sure to sign up for the NAC updates on the USAPA website, there are MANYchanges coming and the NAC updates are a good way of staying informed.

We have some new Faces in the Crew Rooms and Flight Decks (Cockpits), please welcome our NEW HIRES to the Phoenix Domicile! Long time in coming!

Warmest Regards,
John, Eric & Dave
 
snapthis said:
Trying to reason with the unreasonable is a lesson in futility.
 
Perhaps best epitomized by Cactusboy53's childish insanity (one of your very own Reps): "This is Sparta!"...? 😉
 
snapthis said:
I always know when I step on planet Earth there is a Starbucks nearby because I get stuck in a sticky goo in the parking lot.
 
While no polluter of parking lots snap; I'll confess I've fallen so low as to take comfort in absurdly over-priced-but-very-tasty-coffee at this point in life. Ever talk with maintenance folk who've seen the insides of aircraft water tanks? Be it hereby resolved that Starbucks being available in airports is a good thing. 😉
 
Mach85ER said:
Are you guys going to ban me for being the first guy in 787 pages of posts that admitted a mistake? 😀
 
Not hardly, and welcome to the club of those that have. 😉
 
EastUS1 said:
While no polluter of parking lots snap; I'll confess I've fallen so low as to take comfort in absurdly over-priced-but-very-tasty-coffee at this point in life. Ever talk with maintenance folk who've seen the insides of aircraft water tanks? Be it hereby resolved that Starbucks being available in airports is a good thing. 😉
I'd pay the money to avoid what comes out of those tanks. My problem is greeting trapped in a puddle of Triple, Venti, Half Sweet, Non-Fat, Caramel Macchiato someone dumped to get another.......
Triple, Venti, Half Sweet, Non-Fat, Caramel Macchiato. 😉
 
flyer63 said:
Do us a favor and don't try to justify your actions in previous mergers.
 
Especially given that the American Airlines people were the very ones who's utterly disgusting behavior towards their "fellows" birthed the MBond legislation in response....
 
snapthis said:
I'd pay the money to avoid what comes out of those tanks. My problem is greeting trapped in a puddle of Triple, Venti, Half Sweet, Non-Fat, Caramel Macchiato someone dumped to get another.......
Triple, Venti, Half Sweet, Non-Fat, Caramel Macchiato. 😉
 
Understood. 🙂 We've at least one reasonably principled point of agreement here though = "I'd pay the money to avoid what comes out of those tanks." There yet seems some slight hope for us all as people. 😉
 
Mach85ER said:
But we want the sunblock and petrified forest souvenir concession 😉
 
Somehow we need to get to one list and one group.
 
1) Dibbs on the souvenir T-shirt concession stands.
 
2) Understand that all of us are now dealing with a management team that couldn't even remotely care any less about anything but how circumstances can be played to their best advantage, and has cheerfully made their best possible use of employee group fragmentation for many years now.  No one's likely to be too much in any real hurry to get anything done there....Just sayin'...
 
If the APA's at ALL so eager to join in making us into one big, happy family; why haven't ANY honest negotiations towards that been even attempted by them?
 
Once APA becomes the pilot's union following SCS they will control who can and cannot have MCs. Considering the multiple AAG and APA attempts to get USAPA to agree to a West MC (or a court to order the parties to accept a West MC) I believe if APA makes the decision alone the West will have their own seat at the M-B ISL arbitration table. Therefore, USAPA's best opportunity to prevent the West from getting a seat is to go to arbitration, but the UELs don’t even realize this point because their single focus is virtually stapling the West pilot group to the bottom of USAPA’s list prior to M-B.

However, I have proclaimed all along the major issues are USAPA committing Judicial Estoppel in a desperate attempt to avoid the Nic and the union attempting to remain relevant at all costs. It’s more important to the Demagogues to remain in power than it is to obtain a PA and a F&E SL. 

According to APA “the only major barriers have been superfluous and unacceptable USAPA demands, including:

- Obligating APA to pay post-single carrier USAPA bills, including costs of its current headquarters.
- Maintaining USAPA's independent operation authority throughout the JCBA and SLI process.
- Paying for ongoing litigation expenses in Addington and any subsequent DFR cases.
- Recognizing USAPA as a party to the protocol agreement even after USAPA ceases to be the certified bargaining representative (contrary to its own position in the Addington litigation, the judge's ruling in that case and the specific language of the MOU)"

USAPA’s demands are about two things: relevancy and virtually stapling the West pilot group to the bottom of the US Airways-AWA SL before M-B. However, I believe this action trips the Ninth Circuits “unquestionably ripe (for) DFR” provision, which AAG and APA will not permit.

These demands have nothing to do with a PA and it’s all about USAPA remaining relevant and acting like a union after the union screwed up MOU Section 10 negotiations and the Addington II DFR trial with the potential of USAPA gaining a Pyrrhic victory.

When has a union post SCS ever been granted USAPA’s demands listed above? Furthermore, why is USAPA grossly misleading the pilot group by not telling us the truth? By now ever reader should know the answers to these questions.

It’s time for USAPA to finally man up and stop trying to violate our contract again. But, I believe they won’t because they cannot accept responsibility and must have an avenue to point the blame at others because they epitomize the true definition of Demagogues even if it badly hurts the US Airways pilots again. 

Just as Judge Silver’s patience has run out with USAPA -- I believe APA’s patience has run out with it too. 

What I don’t get is how so many East pilots support a union and its leaders who are not transparent, mislead people, and are not honest. I know I can’t, but it just amazes me so many East pilots accept dishonesty and support USAPA’s actions. This is truly embarrassing.
 
USA320Pilot said:
Once APA becomes the pilot's union following SCS they will control who can and cannot have MCs. Considering the multiple AAG and APA attempts to get USAPA to agree to a West MC (or a court to order the parties to accept a West MC) I believe if APA makes the decision alone the West will have their own seat at the M-B ISL arbitration table. Therefore, USAPA's best opportunity to prevent the West from getting a seat is to go to arbitration, but the UELs don’t even realize this point because their single focus is virtually stapling the West pilot group to the bottom of USAPA’s list prior to M-B.

However, I have proclaimed all along the major issues are USAPA committing Judicial Estoppel in a desperate attempt to avoid the Nic and the union attempting to remain relevant at all costs. It’s more important to the Demagogues to remain in power than it is to obtain a PA and a F&E SL. 

According to APA “the only major barriers have been superfluous and unacceptable USAPA demands, including:

- Obligating APA to pay post-single carrier USAPA bills, including costs of its current headquarters.
- Maintaining USAPA's independent operation authority throughout the JCBA and SLI process.
- Paying for ongoing litigation expenses in Addington and any subsequent DFR cases.
- Recognizing USAPA as a party to the protocol agreement even after USAPA ceases to be the certified bargaining representative (contrary to its own position in the Addington litigation, the judge's ruling in that case and the specific language of the MOU)"

USAPA’s demands are about two things: relevancy and virtually stapling the West pilot group to the bottom of the US Airways-AWA SL before M-B. However, I believe this action trips the Ninth Circuits “unquestionably ripe (for) DFR” provision, which AAG and APA will not permit.

These demands have nothing to do with a PA and it’s all about USAPA remaining relevant and acting like a union after the union screwed up MOU Section 10 negotiations and the Addington II DFR trial with the potential of USAPA gaining a Pyrrhic victory.

When has a union post SCS ever been granted USAPA’s demands listed above? Furthermore, why is USAPA grossly misleading the pilot group by not telling us the truth? By now ever reader should know the answers to these questions.

It’s time for USAPA to finally man up and stop trying to violate our contract again. But, I believe they won’t because they cannot accept responsibility and must have an avenue to point the blame at others because they epitomize the true definition of Demagogues even if it badly hurts the US Airways pilots again. 

Just as Judge Silver’s patience has run out with USAPA -- I believe APA’s patience has run out with it too. 

What I don’t get is how so many East pilots support a union and its leaders who are not transparent, mislead people, and are not honest. I know I can’t, but it just amazes me so many East pilots accept dishonesty and support USAPA’s actions. This is truly embarrassing.
Two other points:
 
1. How can East pilots continue to support union people who mislead the pilots and our dishonest? I don't get that.
 
2. A pilot made a great suggestion. He said, "There really is a simple solution to the disagreement. USAPA can simply release the three documents that make up their proposed "global settlement agreement" and let the pilots decide if the APA or USAPA is telling the truth. Let the membership compare the USAPA proposal or "ask" to what APA offered and we can decide it the response from the APA is 'regressive' or not. A little sunshine and transparency would be a breath of fresh air from a union that refused to live up to any of its agreements."
 
I agree with the pilot's comment in item #2. What's wrong with USAPA finally being open, honest, and transparent for a change?
 
 
 
USA320Pilot said:
Once APA becomes the pilot's union following SCS they will control who can and cannot have MCs. 
 
Unwittingly (without any surprise there whatsoever); you make the finest possible argument for contesting in court, and seeing that process run it's full course before proceeding any further.
 
"I believe APA’s patience has run out with it too." Aww! That's so caring and even down right cute, and how very tender and precious indeed it is for you to so much as give a flyin' F about a current adversary's "patience". 😉 Again: If the APA's at ALL so eager to join in making us into one big, happy family; why haven't ANY honest negotiations towards that been even attempted by them?
 
"This is truly embarrassing."...? Seriously? Your supposed, if utterly pathetic excuse for "thought" is arguably the most "truly embarrassing" thing to be seen hereabouts.
 
USA320Pilot said:
 -- I believe APA’s patience has run out with it too. 
 
 
Surely even the brain-dead likes of your sorry self have better reasons to get your panties all bundled up than with frets about anyone's "patience",...or maybe you don't. 😉 From the APA's gentle dealings with their "fellow" industry coworkers from TWA, and your once again and however perversely beloved alpa: "The three that brought on the lawsuit are going to get some serious cash, well into the six figures plus reimbursement of expenses. The rest of us are going to see varying amounts all the way down to just a couple hundred bucks."  http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/american-us-airways-merger/82278-little-advise-twaer-4.html
 
Have you any, even if just laughably pretended "thoughts" to offer there, before we all necessarily consume ourselves with dread and fear of even daring to try the APA's "patience"? 😉
 
P.S. It's a given that you'll never be able to at all respond to any postings that prove you a fool, since the best that's been claimed for you on these boards is a purely pedestrian IQ of a whopping 140, (which, I'd have thought would, if true, at least serve to somewhat serve as a slight buffer against what nonsense you predictably drool, but no matter), so just continue on with you fingers-in-your-ears/La-la-la!...I can't hear you, infantile nonsense. The clinical pathology of a need for attention is understood.
 
EastUS1 said:
 
Have you any, even if just laughably pretended "thoughts" to offer there, before we all necessarily consume ourselves with dread and fear of even daring to try the APA's "patience"? 😉
Chip and his "white flag" leadership.... Always finding a moving crowd and rushing to the front to declare himself the leader with the lily banner hoisted high...

Maybe some day he will confess he was always an agent of reverse psychology...
 
Phoenix said:
Chip and his "white flag" leadership.... Always finding a moving crowd and rushing to the front to declare himself the leader with the lily banner hoisted high...

Maybe some day he will confess he was always an agent of reverse psychology...
 
 
1) I've long-wondered if he runs a concession for the sale of White Flags, which would explain much.
 
2) No chance. That would demonstrate a degree of both subtlety of mind and perhaps actual genius that hardly applies there. I'm sadly, but completely convinced that "what-you-see-is-what-you-get" fully applies...
 
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