2014 Pilot Discussion

[Black Swan]

I agree and it's why I am glad I left the profession. Pilots inability to wrap it's head around a simple union concept has cost it billions over the last 36 years since deregulation.And as for the bright pilot you reference, I also have friends who are learned labor law attornes. Not only have they called USAPA's legal victories on seniority issues, they also believe with the tracks that have been laid with each legal ruling and a voted on ratified ageement that abandoned the Nicalou award there is no chance of that award being utilized. Arbitrators are creatures of law and contracts and their is neither compelling legal orders or reasons nor any contractual language for an arbitrator to rely on to use the Nicalou award. Added to it is the history of how Arbitrator Blocch ruled in the the US/AWA dispatcher SLI and how his accounting of the US vs AWA airline systen valuation has been proven correct and borne out by 9 years of history. You also have subsequent changes in ALPA seniority policy and the UAL/CAL SLI and the fact that the arbitration panel negatively references the Nicalou award.I know I am going to get accused of being a knuckle dragging dock worker by certain posters but making 50% more than your highest paid pilot in a job that requires a 1/10 of the education and skill will have to get me through the injury to my ego.Here is what a real union can accomplish.http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/23/billions-at-risk-as-west-coast-port-contract-ends/?intcmp=latestnews

Best grasp of this issue for years. Welcome back. You have been dead on from day one.

 

[luvthe9]

ALPA failed to correct an award that fell far out of bounds of fairness. Of course you, the Mighty Oracle, did not serve 17 yrs never furloughed and get paired with a new hire.
Nobody respects you whatsoever. Nobody.
You and Traitor are miserable Benedict Arnolds.

Todays re post.

 

[traderjake]

It warms my heart to know you think about me everday! 😀

 

[luvthe9]

It warms my heart to know you think about me everday! 😀

Yea, every time I'm in the crapper.

 

[Mach85ER]

APA is on the same page as we are doing what ever it can to delay the SLI, let each side capture as much attrition as possible, more lawsuits coming from the west and east should tie this deal up for a very long time.


"APA wants a smooth and amicable integration with the pilots of US Airways" , just as they did with Reno, Air Cal and TWA. Remember M/B was created because of the APA.

 
 
I thought we went over the lack of AA attrition. No matter how many times you keep repeating it, it's not going to change the fact that AA has little attrition during the SLI process. You are a hysterical fool to keep suggesting otherwise.
 
Another point of your idiotic thought and keyboard Tourrettes Syndrome keyboard affliction, AirCal was a relative merge that ended up screwing nAAtive AA'ers after management completely dismantled the Aircal system. Reno came along and APA wasn't going to give the most senior Reno Captain a AA left seat when his DOH was less (1992) than most AA returning furloughees. AA management completely dismantled the Reno system too. What would you have done with Reno? What would you have done with TWA given the track record. Are you aware that AA FO's were stagnated from NB upgrades for several years as a result of TWA pilots moving off their dismantled routes and onto longtime AA routes. If APA gave TWA DOH or even a relative merge, they would be in 1200 slots out of 3500 CA positions with ZERO of their remaining TWA route system. Does that make sense to you?
 
AW/US/AA is a completely different animal and dead in the future if there is a major flying reduction like the AMR idiots did in the past.
 
Do the board a favor and get some accuracy and stop acting like a little girl wondering when her first Midol is going to kick in and settle her angst.

 

[luvthe9]

I thought we went over the lack of AA attrition. No matter how many times you keep repeating it, it's not going to change the fact that AA has little attrition during the SLI process. You are a hysterical fool to keep suggesting otherwise.
 
Another point of your idiotic thought and keyboard Tourrettes Syndrome keyboard affliction, AirCal was a relative merge that ended up screwing nAAtive AA'ers after management completely dismantled the Aircal system. Reno came along and APA wasn't going to give the most senior Reno Captain a AA left seat when his DOH was less (1992) than most AA returning furloughees. AA management completely dismantled the Reno system too. What would you have done with Reno? What would you have done with TWA given the track record. Are you aware that AA FO's were stagnated from NB upgrades for several years as a result of TWA pilots moving off their dismantled routes and onto longtime AA routes. If APA gave TWA DOH or even a relative merge, they would be in 1200 slots out of 3500 CA positions with ZERO of their remaining TWA route system. Does that make sense to you?
 
AW/US/AA is a completely different animal and dead in the future if there is a major flying reduction like the AMR idiots did in the past.
 
Do the board a favor and get some accuracy and stop acting like a little girl wondering when her first Midol is going to kick in and settle her angst.

Geez, that's funny son, spent the last few days in and out of MIA with several of your boys in the jumpseat I would say they disagree with you, you will have quite a few retirements in the next several years which is how long this will take, so pipe down son your time will come. I'm sure you realize you will move up faster as long we stay separate, surely you are smart enough to understand that.


Watch out for these west scabs they want your big planes and to go ahead you. We want you to go DOH and a five or ten year fence on your planes, their yours protect them!! or take your chances on M/B who knows maybe some of our one or two year veterans will go ahead of one of your 17 years guys.

 

[Phoenix]

 
 
I thought we went over the lack of AA attrition. No matter how many times you keep repeating it, it's not going to change the fact that AA has little attrition during the SLI process. You are a hysterical fool to keep suggesting otherwise.
 
Another point of your idiotic thought and keyboard Tourrettes Syndrome keyboard affliction, AirCal was a relative merge that ended up screwing nAAtive AA'ers after management completely dismantled the Aircal system. Reno came along and APA wasn't going to give the most senior Reno Captain a AA left seat when his DOH was less (1992) than most AA returning furloughees. AA management completely dismantled the Reno system too. What would you have done with Reno? What would you have done with TWA given the track record. Are you aware that AA FO's were stagnated from NB upgrades for several years as a result of TWA pilots moving off their dismantled routes and onto longtime AA routes. If APA gave TWA DOH or even a relative merge, they would be in 1200 slots out of 3500 CA positions with ZERO of their remaining TWA route system. Does that make sense to you?
 
AW/US/AA is a completely different animal and dead in the future if there is a major flying reduction like the AMR idiots did in the past.
 
Do the board a favor and get some accuracy and stop acting like a little girl wondering when her first Midol is going to kick in and settle her angst.

 
 
The courts will settle the dispute, or the unions will negotiate a resolution... someday. 
 
Who cares how long it takes for everyone to be allowed to bid into PHX?  Whatever...

 

[traderjake]

Do the board a favor and get some accuracy and stop acting like a little girl wondering when her first Midol is going to kick in and settle her angst.

 
 

Watch out for these west scabs they want your big planes and to go ahead you. We want you to go DOH and a five or ten year fence on your planes, their yours protect them!! or take your chances on M/B who knows maybe some of our one or two year veterans will go ahead of one of your 17 years guys.

 
 
Sorry, every once in a while our crazy uncle get out of his room. 

 

[snapthis]

 "Watch out for these west scabs they want your big planes and to go ahead you. We want you to go DOH and a five or ten year fence on your planes, their yours protect them!!"
 
Watch out for Nicolau, Judge Wake, Trader Jake, Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, Chip, Chupacabras, sun spots, mad cow disease, bird flu and anything else which deflects from the real argument.        

 

[Phoenix]

 "Watch out for these west scabs they want your big planes and to go ahead you. We want you to go DOH and a five or ten year fence on your planes, their yours protect them!!"
 
Watch out for Nicolau, Judge Wake, Trader Jake, Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, Chip, Chupacabras, sun spots, mad cow disease, bird flu and anything else which deflects from the real argument.        

 
 
Don't forget the Spartans and Dire Wolves.  

 

[snapthis]

Don't forget the Spartans and Dire Wolves.

Thanks for the heads up. 😉

 

[luvthe9]

Sorry, every once in a while our crazy uncle get out of his room.

At least the fifth time you have used that line, something new maybe.

 

[luvthe9]

"Watch out for these west scabs they want your big planes and to go ahead you. We want you to go DOH and a five or ten year fence on your planes, their yours protect them!!"
 
Watch out for Nicolau, Judge Wake, Trader Jake, Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, Chip, Chupacabras, sun spots, mad cow disease, bird flu and anything else which deflects from the real argument.

Hey, you boys should start to give some of that money from those 700 dollar ties to the littles ones coming across your border down there.

 

[algflyr]

Did anyone expect anything different from the APA? They are not new to this game and know how to play it very well. They will keep this up until an agreement is reached (and not in public), or a judge compels them to arbitrate. I think you will then see an agreement forged on how this will finally play out...

I personally don't have an issue with the West pilots having a committee to negotiate for their separate seniority list at US Airways in the SLI with American as long as they play by the rules of engagement. I don't think they can put forth the Nic anymore that the East can put forth a DOH combined list.

We will have 3 lists merged together on the merits of each list and what each has at the time of this merger. 

I think the West should have West pilots defending their list and the positions they bring. I think they should be able to do that under USAPA to be legal under the NMB rules. Maybe some basic language like the APA tried to introduce so their committee cannot be influenced by USAPA East. But to try and introduce the NIC would not be in their scope as that would be trying to negotiate for the East. The Nic was never a legal list as we never attained a joint contract, and now that cannot happen. To try and use that would ignore the terms of the TA reached that produced the Nic in the first place. So the West must present their list and have it integrated on how they best see their pilots benefiting from the integration of the 3 lists. Be that DOH or status position, it's up to them.

And the East will be responsible for presenting their list and desires of methodology for integration. They cannot present a combined DOH East/West list as that would be negotiation for the West. So the East will fight for only their list, be it DOH, status or something else.

And of course the APA will defend their list how they see fit. But they will be responsible only for their list, not those of USAirways...

Just my views...

 

[traderjake]

Watch out for Nicolau, Judge Wake, Trader Jake, Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, Chip, Chupacabras, sun spots, mad cow disease, bird flu and anything else which deflects from the real argument.        

 
You left out luvthe9's greatest fear:
 
Chipmunnks