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"To be blunt, USAPA's version of events is fiction. USAPA leadership specifically and directly solicited this latest protocol proposal from the Seniority Integration Committee. USAPA's merger counsel was also briefed on the likely content of the protocol document several days before receipt. USAPA's abject failure to communicate these facts erodes the very foundation of trust necessary for any further negotiations. It is now apparent to us, just as it was to Judge Silver in the Addington v. USAPA DFR decision, that USAPA is using these tactics, including reneging on its bargain under the MOU and litigating the McCaskill-Bond process in court, with the express goal of delaying the NMB single-carrier finding."
 
I think our union is getting tired of USAPA's antics.
 
This was just forwarded to me....
Seniority Integration Protocol: The Facts

You may have seen APA's seniority integration protocol proposal last week and a subsequent USAPA Merger Committee blast accusing the APA Seniority Integration Committee of blindsiding them with a "regressive" proposal. Although we have been patient in an attempt to forge an acceptable agreement, it is now time to set the record straight on some of the misrepresentations contained in the USAPA Merger Committee blast.

To be blunt, USAPA's version of events is fiction. USAPA leadership specifically and directly solicited this latest protocol proposal from the Seniority Integration Committee. USAPA's merger counsel was also briefed on the likely content of the protocol document several days before receipt. USAPA's abject failure to communicate these facts erodes the very foundation of trust necessary for any further negotiations. It is now apparent to us, just as it was to Judge Silver in the Addington v. USAPA DFR decision, that USAPA is using these tactics, including reneging on its bargain under the MOU and litigating the McCaskill-Bond process in court, with the express goal of delaying the NMB single-carrier finding.

Last week, before we passed our latest protocol proposal, APA Vice President FO Neil Roghair was invited to speak at USAPA domicile meetings in Charlotte and Philadelphia. The APA talking points were simple:

APA wants a smooth and amicable integration with the pilots of US Airways.
APA is committed to the process that we all agreed to and ratified in the MOU.
APA will take its duty of fair representation to all American Airlines pilots seriously.
FO Roghair communicated that the protocol agreement for seniority integration should be complete and that the only major barriers have been superfluous and unacceptable USAPA demands, including:

Obligating APA to pay post-single carrier USAPA bills, including costs of its current headquarters
Maintaining USAPA's independent operation authority throughout the JCBA and SLI process
Paying for ongoing litigation expenses in Addington and any subsequent DFR cases
Recognizing USAPA as a party to the protocol agreement even after USAPA ceases to be the certified bargaining representative (contrary to its own position in the Addington litigation, the judge's ruling in that case and the specific language of the MOU)
These are not commitments APA is willing to entertain and are what brought seniority protocol negotiations to a halt.

As FO Roghair stated, APA does not take its duty of fair representation lightly. Contrary to USAPA's assertions otherwise, and at their suggestion, APA has proposed that the West pilots be afforded the opportunity to petition a neutral arbitrator for the right to a separate and independent merger committee in the seniority integration process. USAPA, the company and APA would have the right to object or support a West merger committee. The arbitrator would then rule on the issue, and the process would move forward based on the arbitrator's final and binding decision on the West merger committee's status.

At the CLT meeting, a member of the USAPA Merger Committee briefed those in attendance on why the committee found the prospect of a separate West merger committee acceptable. And, upon hearing APA's proposal, the USAPA secretary-treasurer remarked that this proposal came directly from USAPA. This highlights that the USAPA Merger Committee's blast, dated June 20, 2014, is entirely inconsistent with statements made by USAPA leadership to APA.

The USAPA national officers specifically requested that APA disregard the USAPA transition and settlement proposals and present a "seniority protocol only" proposal to USAPA so that we can all point to a seniority integration proposal that represents the path forward. Thus, we made our protocol proposal last week at USAPA's specific request. It could not have surprised them.

Regardless of the circumstances that resulted in APA's passing the protocol document, the proposal was fully consistent with requests and understandings agreed to by USAPA's leadership and communicated to pilots at the CLT and PHL meetings. It meets every legitimate "ask" from USAPA in the seniority protocol. Among other things:

The proposal guaranteed that the USAPA Merger Committee would continue in its current form after APA becomes the single bargaining representative. The USAPA committee would remain completely autonomous, and APA would formally agree not to interfere with its staffing, decision-making, operations or funding. Who gives direction to that committee is not within APA's control.
The proposal accepted USAPA's position that APA not have the unilateral right to appoint a West merger committee but the West pilots be required to seek representation through final and binding arbitration.
The proposal accepted USAPA's procedure for the selection of the seniority Arbitration Board.
While the proposal provided that the company and APA would be the only parties to the protocol after APA becomes the single bargaining representative which is consistent with the RLA and the duty of fair representation and has always been APA's position APA would formally commit that it had no legal authority to make any modification to the protected status of the USAPA Merger Committee.
Nothing in the APA proposal was a surprise to USAPA or its merger counsel. The only written additions to our latest proposal were to codify the previous understanding that USAPA would drop its litigation in federal district court asking for an alternative process to MOU paragraph 10 and to provide that USAPA drop its opposition at the NMB to the single-carrier determination.

The day after our counsel transmitted the protocol proposal, the USAPA Merger Committee released its blast to USAPA membership, in which they claimed our proposal blindsided them and was unacceptable and regressive. They listed five points of deep concern.

Their first four points object to APA suggesting that everyone follow the process spelled out in MOU paragraph 10 the process approved 11-0 by the USAPA Board of Pilot Representatives and ratified by three-quarters of the USAPA membership. USAPA's position that complying with a signed agreement (the MOU) is somehow optional can only be described as beyond the pale. At no time did USAPA suggest that any other party to the MOU could unilaterally disregard its provisions.
The fifth point of objection is that APA is asserting the right to change and control their merger committee. That is false. The very premise of our protocol proposal is that the merger committees, including specifically the USAPA Merger Committee, will be autonomous and independent after the certification of a single bargaining representative. While APA will be the bargaining representative and will not formally agree to USAPA party status, USAPA may continue as an organization, with a board and national officers, albeit at their own expense.
This seniority integration process will be difficult and complex. APA is deeply committed and obligated to an autonomous USAPA Merger Committee. APA also has a duty to guarantee a process that will give the West pilots a fair opportunity to make their case in arbitration.

The APA Seniority Integration Committee made our proposal public for simple reasons. The proposal reflects every commitment we have made to USAPA with regard to the seniority integration process and contradicts false assertions being made by USAPA in an effort to delay a single-carrier finding by the NMB. It is time to agree to a protocol before this affects the ability of APA and USAPA to move forward in areas of mutual interest, such as the JCBA.

Please forward this email to every US Airways pilot you know and tell them that APA is committed to the fair process that we all signed up for.
 
snapthis said:
"To be blunt, USAPA's version of events is fiction. USAPA leadership specifically and directly solicited this latest protocol proposal from the Seniority Integration Committee. USAPA's merger counsel was also briefed on the likely content of the protocol document several days before receipt. USAPA's abject failure to communicate these facts erodes the very foundation of trust necessary for any further negotiations. It is now apparent to us, just as it was to Judge Silver in the Addington v. USAPA DFR decision, that USAPA is using these tactics, including reneging on its bargain under the MOU and litigating the McCaskill-Bond process in court, with the express goal of delaying the NMB single-carrier finding."
 
I think our union is getting tired of USAPA's antics.
 
 
You aren't paying attention.  They are grandstanding.. putting on a show for you.  Just like Silver did.
 
"...APA also has a duty to guarantee a process that will give the West pilots a fair opportunity to make their case in arbitration."  
 
The APA knows there is absolutely no truth to their claim to have a duty to the West having a separate seat at the table.   USAPA wasn't guilty of DFR and Silver said the MB statute doesn't entitle the West to a seat.  The APA knows the West could never win a DFR against them.  Never.  
 
This is grandstanding and delay, of a defendant in federal court.  Nothing more.  
 
Mach85ER said:
excerpt from the APA hotline:
 
This seniority integration process will be difficult and complex. APA is deeply committed and obligated to an autonomous USAPA Merger Committee. APA also has a duty to guarantee a process that will give the West pilots a fair opportunity to make their case in arbitration.
 
question, if the west pilots get a "fair oppertunity", then what other seperate groups get special treatment? Didnt a federal judge say the west did not qualify for seperate representation? what about all the blond pilots? or those with bad teeth? Do they get to address the arbitrators with there laundry as well?
 
Phoenix said:
The dispute is in federal court.  It is no surprise that the defendants are pumping their version of sunshine anywhere they can.   :lol:
 
Maybe Chip should sue them too for using his patented notion of "unbiased facts"...  😉
Just to play devil's advocate:

Chip aside, even the courtroom docs are public information. Whereas we still don't know what USAPA proposed back on April 29th, almost two months ago.

I believe USAPA has an excellent and detailed response to the latest APA update. Unfortunately, our attorneys are insisting it remain confidential -🙂 I am all for confidential negotiations, provided both sides abide and progress is being made. But the APA has let the cat out of the bag. They are negotiating directly with us now. Our merger committee is still holding its cards close to the vest while APA is face up. (Is that enough metaphors?)

This is not effective 'strategerie'. Does Gary Hummel or Steve Bradford know they can still post video updates? You know, just to set the record straight. Maybe they should let Mike Cleary show them how.

It's time to rally the troops. The secrecy thing isn't working anymore. And BTW, I voted for a union based on transparency, not secrecy.

'84
 
Piedmont1984 said:
Just to play devil's advocate:

Chip aside, even the courtroom docs are public information. Whereas we still don't know what USAPA proposed back on April 29th, almost two months ago.

I believe USAPA has an excellent and detailed response to the latest APA update. Unfortunately, our attorneys are insisting it remain confidential - 🙂 I am all for confidential negotiations, provided both sides abide and progress is being made. But the APA has let the cat out of the bag. They are negotiating directly with us now. Our merger committee is still holding its cards close to the vest while APA is face up. (Is that enough metaphors?)

This is not effective 'strategerie'. Does Gary Hummel or Steve Bradford know they can still post video updates? You know, just to set the record straight. Maybe they should let Mike Cleary show them how.

It's time to rally the troops. The secrecy thing isn't working anymore. And BTW, I voted for a union based on transparency, not secrecy.

'84
 
 
The APA is paying dirty.  Big surprise, eh?  They chose to go cry for sympathy on the front pages of the tabloids.. like a celebrity divorcee. 
 
USAPA made its position perfectly transparent and public.  USAPA is suing to commence arbitration immediately, pursuant to MB.  Is that not clear?  If USAPA's position is not clear, let me restate it...  USAPA is suing to start MB arbitration immediately, as the statute provides.  The NMB issued arbitrators at USAPA insistence, pursuant to MB, over the objection of the APA.  It is APA that is prevaricating, maneuvering, and feigning honesty, while dong everything they can to take unilateral control of the SLI.  
 
Don't be fooled.  The APA is fighting to control the SLI.  Nothing more.  They want pilots to assume USAPA is up to no good because they don't negotiate in public... however, ascribing a nefarious motive to USAPA would be a misguided assumption.  USAPA has called for MB arbitration IMMEDIATELY, pursuant to MB, and the APA is pumping sunshine, avoiding MB arbitration, and trying to maneuver to take unilateral control of the SLI process (unilateral control is the APA countersuit).  
 
Don't be gullible.  The APA updates are just cheaper versions of the West glossy brochures.   :lol:
 
There is a reason this is in federal court.  
 
Phoenix said:
You aren't paying attention.  They are grandstanding.. putting on a show for you.  Just like Silver did.
 
"..[font=times new roman'].APA also has a duty to guarantee a process that will give the West pilots a fair opportunity to make their case in arbitration."[/font]  
 
The APA knows there is absolutely no truth to their claim to have a duty to the West having a separate seat at the table.   USAPA wasn't guilty of DFR and Silver said the MB statute doesn't entitle the West to a seat.  The APA knows the West could never win a DFR against them.  Never.  
 
This is grandstanding and delay, of a defendant in federal court.  Nothing more.  
APA is on the same page as we are doing what ever it can to delay the SLI, let each side capture as much attrition as possible, more lawsuits coming from the west and east should tie this deal up for a very long time.


"APA wants a smooth and amicable integration with the pilots of US Airways" , just as they did with Reno, Air Cal and TWA. Remember M/B was created because of the APA.
 
Phoenix said:
You aren't paying attention.  They are grandstanding.. putting on a show for you.  Just like Silver did.
 
All jokes and jabs aside, Leonidas is paying attention.
 
im back..!! said:
question, if the west pilots get a "fair oppertunity", then what other seperate groups get special treatment?
 
Every other pilot group that has their own separate seniority list.
 
Phoenix said:
The APA is paying dirty. ....... 
 
USAPA made its position perfectly transparent and public.  
 
LMFAO!!!
 
USAPA wants to force the start of the arbitration before it disappears.
 
traderjake said:
 
LMFAO!!!
 
USAPA wants the arbitration to start now  before it disappears.
 
First of all you didn't refute the fact that USAPA is being transparent.  You proclaim a knowledge of what USAPA wants, which means necessarily that they are transparent to all, because they are transparent even to you.
 
What do you want?  😀
 
luvthe9 said:
APA is on the same page as we are doing what ever it can to delay the SLI, let each side capture as much attrition as possible, more lawsuits coming from the west and east should tie this deal up for a very long time.


"APA wants a smooth and amicable integration with the pilots of US Airways" , just as they did with Reno, Air Cal and TWA. Remember M/B was created because of the APA.
Let's get together and work this out. How's Oct 3rd, 2022 look for your side?
 
USA320Pilot said:
And, according to one very bright pilot, "The next arbitration panel will incorporate the Nic because they will not ignore the work of their colleague circa 2007. Yes, it's that simple. This is NOT my opinion but that of a very learned attorney who has worked with these arbitrators for 35 years. That's not 'how the roll' so to say." 
Munn, you are truly an idiot. Most of us read the 9th decision after Addington. They ruled. You? You merely make stuff out of thin air. You honestly are a disgusting windbag.
 
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