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every loss is trader's victory!traderjake said:
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nevergiveup said:
Every prediction I get correct is personal victory of sorts.
Even the PIT Reps in writing said there was no snapback, that was an easy one.
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ALPA was a looser, USAPA has done little more than prevent the NIC(at least one victory) Any suggestions?traderjake said:
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nevergiveup said:
prevented the NIC so far...
This is going to arbitration, when it does APA will be our CBA and the West will have a MC.
The MC arbitration panel will be aware of the Nicolau Award and I don't think they are going to completely ignore the work of one of their fellow, highly respected arbiters.
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That above is what you honestly believe? Seriously? "... I don't think they are going to completely ignore the work of one of their fellow, highly respected arbiters." I'd honestly guess that they won't ignore such a monumental F-up either, but can't even imagine any basing their own works on it, as if it served as a perfect model for anything, especially given how the industry at large has responded to it.
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It is indeed an interesting pathology to be observed there. "Look!...We lost!..And I said we would...We're all harmed!...Goody!"
traderjake, on 22 Jun 2014 - 3:46 PM, said:
"Every prediction I get correct is personal victory of sorts." Given the precious few (thankfully) predictions of trader's that have at all proved true; well...I'm somehow, just not completely convinced that he's at all clear on even the very concept of "victory", but to each his own, I suppose.
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I predict you don't live in a dry county.
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Doesn't matter. The arbitrators can all on any witness they wish. Once they close the door, as seen in the NIC award, it doesn't matter if you have representation or not.traderjake said:
You might be right, I won't make a prediction on that. But let's say the west gets it's own merger committee. What will be the grounds? That the MOU called for the continuation of the separate lists, right? So they will be arguing that they are due their separate representation because of separate lists, but arguing to use a combined list, the Nic as the starting point. One that does not fit the MOU definition of "in effect" and has never been used. Illogical to me.traderjake said:
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"But let's say the west gets it's own merger committee. What will be the grounds?" Perhaps "This is sparta!"? 😉 Seriously though; I'd think that issue alone to be fine fodder for eagerly salivating lawyers. Her Honor Silver's court saw nothing that at all entitled such representation.
"So they will be arguing that they are due their separate representation because of separate lists, but arguing to use a combined list, the Nic as the starting point." The laughable irony seems lost on them.
chip and trader are alpa supporters by assignment because alpa looks like an ass now. History will void on alpa because of usapa and the the dedication and determination of the East pilots.
snap (spin this) and others want the money rolling in on a lost cause in an attempt to rewrite history and save face.
west pilots want years of gain on seniority taking advantage of alpa's greed. The end run west pilot self esteem grab, to offset their bottom of the barrel hiring status at america west, is a prehistoric land grab.
apa, aka american pilots, history has shown and to no ones surprise, require any of the pilots they merge with to relinquish legal protections. The legal protections due to legislation that came about because of alpa and apa's under-handing dealings.
There are those that are motivated by right and wrong, greed and morals, courage and defiance.
What legacy are you leaving for future pilots in the airline industry?
snap (spin this) and others want the money rolling in on a lost cause in an attempt to rewrite history and save face.
west pilots want years of gain on seniority taking advantage of alpa's greed. The end run west pilot self esteem grab, to offset their bottom of the barrel hiring status at america west, is a prehistoric land grab.
apa, aka american pilots, history has shown and to no ones surprise, require any of the pilots they merge with to relinquish legal protections. The legal protections due to legislation that came about because of alpa and apa's under-handing dealings.
There are those that are motivated by right and wrong, greed and morals, courage and defiance.
What legacy are you leaving for future pilots in the airline industry?
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That would be my suggested self-evaluation for all concerned as well. Much to the chagrin of many among billions who've ever lived: "It's ALL about MEEE!" hasn't ever much proved out lastingly well in any aspect of history.
usairways and the new american airlines claim neutrality, but are continuing their strategy and status quo of divide and conquer.
Eventually this will be figured out by the sugar cane laborers at an inconvenient point of time for the owners.
Eventually this will be figured out by the sugar cane laborers at an inconvenient point of time for the owners.
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