2014 Pilot Discussion

[Claxon]

USAPA is in deep do-do.

Let's see how many negative votes we can get for Munn. -20 would be a record.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Today is filled with stunning revelations. As discussed APA attorney Wesley Kennedy clearly illustrates USAPA was not duped by APA and AAG regarding SCC and Judge Silver’s ruling, USAPA negotiated a MOU and then did not tell the pilots that AMR, LCC, and APA fully intended for USAPA to cease all ISL work post SCC. 

Now USAPA basically informs us that Pat Szymanski has mislead the pilots and the court when according to USAPA “The Declaration filed by Wesley Kennedy disputes some of the statements made in the Declaration by Pat Szymanski which was filed with USAPA's responding brief.” And, now the pilots have been told that APA has ignored USAPA’s April 29th proposed Protocol Agreement, proposed Union Merger Transition Agreement, proposed Global Agreement, and USAPA’s proposed M-B lawsuit settlement offer. 

Wow!

USAPA = Phyrrhic Victory.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Let's see how many negative votes we can get for Munn. -20 would be a record.

Truth hurts, huh.
 
Maybe if USAPA and the UELs were not do dishonest and its minions would stop drinking the UEL Kool-Aid US Airways' pilots would not repeatedly get hurt by their own union.
 
Now APA is just ignoring USAPA and telling the court the truth while Pat Szymanski goes about business obtaining billable hours from the nations highest dues paying pilots. 
 
I wonder how the NMB will view this information and USAPA misrepresenting information to the Feds when the NMB rules on SCC?

 

[USA320Pilot]

[SIZE=10pt]Moreover, USAPA’s Legal Update published today with their take regarding the APA and company reply briefs. USAPA believes that there should be discovery because of fact discrepancies between the Kennedy and Szymanski’s declarations. What USAPA didn’t disclose and the court and NMB will certainly see is the 260+ pages of supporting documents that APA filed with their reply brief yesterday (those Docs are cited in the Kennedy declaration). [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=10pt]In any event, the APA disclosed many e-mails and various proposals in those 260 pages clearly providing discovery and making USAPA’s desperate attempt to delay even more troubling for its case. APA is being very transparent to the court and not only is USAPA not transparent to the pilots, but to the NMB and the Court too.[/SIZE]

 

[snapthis]

How come AOL didn't file something?
And how come the new AOL "glossy pamphlet" isn't glossy and isn't in my mailbox?
You guys are out of money, out of court pleadings, and outside the attrition riptide current. All the risk.... All the risk....

What exactly does AOL have to file?

I have my own question. How come USAPA is compelled to put out an update only after AOL publishes legal docs?

Risk? Y'all took a chance thinking that you could "fix" seniority. It looks like someone else will wrap what you could only delay.

AOL will provide the bow.

 

[prechilill]

[SIZE=10pt]Moreover, USAPA’s Legal Update published today with their take regarding the APA and company reply briefs. USAPA believes that there should be discovery because of fact discrepancies between the Kennedy and Szymanski’s declarations. What USAPA didn’t disclose and the court and NMB will certainly see is the 260+ pages of supporting documents that APA filed with their reply brief yesterday (those Docs are cited in the Kennedy declaration). [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]In any event, the APA disclosed many e-mails and various proposals in those 260 pages clearly providing discovery and making USAPA’s desperate attempt to delay even more troubling for its case. APA is being very transparent to the court and not only is USAPA not transparent to the pilots, but to the NMB and the Court too.[/SIZE]

In reading the briefs, it is apparent the APA and AAG are intent on a fair and equitable integration of the three seniority lists identified in the MOU.  Also with yesterday's filings, it is quite obvious USAPA is lying to the pilots and the DC Court as to what they knew the MOU was about: USAPA wasn't going to participate past SCS.  98% of the west pilots saw this, it was a singular reason for us to vote for the MOU.
USAPA legal is reckless in their professional dealings with the APA and AAG, it probably is good for all the USAirways pilots to get rid of USAPA.  The collection of idiots on this board supports this idea.  
 

 

[prechilill]

When the APA takes over, Usaps are going to fold your little tent and get off this property. They will be the ones who will decide how dues money is spent.

And seniority.....FYI

 
And this was plainly evident in the MOU.  Seems the "men of genius" are having a little buyer's remorse.  LOL   
Got the pay raise, but weren't educated enough to read the fine print.  Now they are desperately trying to reverse the damage of SCS and flip-flopping their position on SLI bargaining agents to try and save their jihad against the west.  Looks like it is all coming apart now.  APA and AAG attorneys have boxed in the USAPs.

 

[USA320Pilot]

In reading the briefs, it is apparent the APA and AAG are intent on a fair and equitable integration of the three seniority lists identified in the MOU.  Also with yesterday's filings, it is quite obvious USAPA is lying to the pilots and the DC Court as to what they knew the MOU was about: USAPA wasn't going to participate past SCS.  98% of the west pilots saw this, it was a singular reason for us to vote for the MOU.
USAPA legal is reckless in their professional dealings with the APA and AAG, it probably is good for all the USAirways pilots to get rid of USAPA.  The collection of idiots on this board supports this idea.  
 
Yep. Prechilill, you're right.
 
I am absolutely stunned that AMR, LCC, and APA negotiated for USAPA to cease all M-B ISL negotiations during the MOU. Kennedy's Declaration is basically calling Pat Szymanski a liar. USAPA knew all along the other parties negotating the MOU believed post SCC that USAPA would not be permitted to argue seniority unless APA permitted this action.
 
Then Szymanski argued this exact same point in the Addington II DFR trial against US Airways' Summary Judgment to prevent a court order to permit a West MC to represent them self in the M-B ISL arbitration, if held. There is no question Szymanski is violating labor practice and the Judicial Estoppel doctrine, which could place him in big, big trouble.
 
To make matters worse without knowledge of MOU SCC negotiations Judge Silver issued an order that unequivocally states USAPA must cease all ISL discussions post SCC.
 
I believe USAPA is now in deep do-do, the union's argument is unsupportable, and the yesterday's M-B flings and rejection of USAPA's April 29th overtures to APA will likely affect the NMB's SCC decision. 
 
Clearly, USAPA grossly mislead and duped the pilot group, which clearly shows a lack of character.
 
In my opinion, the NMB will rule of SCC shortly with APA becoming the pilot's agent, there will be no PA, UMTA, GA. and lawsuit settlement, the D.C. District Court will dismiss USAPA's M-B lawsuit for Judicial Estoppel if not misconduct. Then APA will designate  3 autonomous MC's (APA, APA Legacy USAPA East, and APA Legacy USAPA West) where each party will advocate for their pilots. In this instance I believe the West MC will introduce the Nicolau Award II as the USAPA M-B ISl starting point, which should prevent DFR and liability suits from being filed by AOL. 

 

[prechilill]

 
I hate to break the news to you, but USAPA funds WILL be used to further USAPA causes.  YOU don't get to decide that.  It's already in the C&B-Ls.
 

 
Stupid.  No other way to call it.  Call us whatever you want, but you are just stupid dude.  
Once the APA takes over, EVERYTHING that the USAPs have go to the APA, EVERYTHING.

 

[snapthis]

From Mr. Liberal himself.

Hardly, but I do have friends who are progressive which means they move forward when they realize delay is not a strategy.

 

[prechilill]

 

In reading the briefs, it is apparent the APA and AAG are intent on a fair and equitable integration of the three seniority lists identified in the MOU.  Also with yesterday's filings, it is quite obvious USAPA is lying to the pilots and the DC Court as to what they knew the MOU was about: USAPA wasn't going to participate past SCS.  98% of the west pilots saw this, it was a singular reason for us to vote for the MOU.
USAPA legal is reckless in their professional dealings with the APA and AAG, it probably is good for all the USAirways pilots to get rid of USAPA.  The collection of idiots on this board supports this idea.  
 
Yep. Prechilill, you're right.
 
I am absolutely stunned that AMR, LCC, and APA negotiated for USAPA to cease all M-B ISL negotiations during the MOU. Kennedy's Declaration is basically calling Pat Szymanski a liar. USAPA knew all along the other parties negotating the MOU believed post SCC that USAPA would not be permitted to argue seniority unless APA permitted this action.
 
Then Szymanski argued this exact same point in the Addington II DFR trial against US Airways' Summary Judgment to prevent a court order to permit a West MC to represent them self in the M-B ISL arbitration, if held. There is no question Szymanski is violating labor practice and the Judicial Estoppel doctrine, which could place him in big, big trouble.
 
To make matters worse without knowledge of MOU SCC negotiations Judge Silver issued an order that unequivocally states USAPA must cease all ISL discussions post SCC.
 
I believe USAPA is now in deep do-do, the union's argument is unsupportable, and the yesterday's M-B flings and rejection of USAPA's April 29th overtures to APA will likely affect the NMB's SCC decision. 
 
Clearly, USAPA grossly mislead and duped the pilot group, which clearly shows a lack of character.
 
In my opinion, the NMB will rule of SCC shortly with APA becoming our agent, there will be no PA, UMTA, GA. and lawsuit settlement, the D.C. District Court will dismiss USAPA's M-B lawsuit for Judicial Estoppel if not misconduct. Then APA will designate  3 autonomous MC's (APA, APA Legacy USAPA East, and APA Legacy USAPA West) where each party will advocate for their pilots. In this instance I believe the West MC will introduce the Nicolau Award II as the USAPA M-B ISl starting point, which should prevent DFR and liability suits from being filed by AOL. 

 

I agree about Syzmanski being called out by Kennedy, but also in Kennedy's statement of facts he basically laid out the point that Syzmanski really wasn't involved in negotiating the MOU in December 2012 (where most of the heavy lifting was done on the MOU).  Kennedy was sort of telling the judge that Syzmanski's statement is coming from a person that wasn't even around for most of the meetings, therefore indirectly impeaching Syzmanski's statement as even legitimate.  How can Syzmanski file "facts" about what he remembered the MOU discussions to be when he wasn't even around?
And then, you gotta love the part about Kennedy calling out Wilder in his position as Republic counsel and how Wilder's position is 180 degrees different as USAP counsel.  I can think of two words for this: BILLABLE HOURS

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
Stupid.  No other way to call it.  Call us whatever you want, but you are just stupid dude.  
Once the APA takes over, EVERYTHING that the USAPs have go to the APA, EVERYTHING.

 
Yes.  According to your last countdown clock, USAPA was booted on April 4, 2014.
 
Why not start another?  What would that be....two, three dozen so far?  And NOT ONE....NOT ONE....of your countdown predictions has come to fruition, you whack-a-doodle.

 

[prechilill]

 
Yes.  According to your last countdown clock, USAPA was booted on April 4, 2014.
 
Why not start another?  What would that be....two, three dozen so far?  And NOT ONE....NOT ONE....of your countdown predictions has come to fruition, you whack-a-doodle.

 
It is hard to nail down USAP's death, but it seems to be really close.   Are you going to be a good union pilot when that happens?  

 

[luvthe9]

Truth hurts, huh.
 
Maybe if USAPA and the UELs were not do dishonest and its minions would stop drinking the UEL Kool-Aid US Airways' pilots would not repeatedly get hurt by their own union.
 
Now APA is just ignoring USAPA and telling the court the truth while Pat Szymanski goes about business obtaining billable hours from the nations highest dues paying pilots. 
 
I wonder how the NMB will view this information and USAPA misrepresenting information to the Feds when the NMB rules on SCC?

The truth is you are a psycho. Cleary and Tracey never should have helped get your job back.

 

[luvthe9]

It is hard to nail down USAP's death, but it seems to be really close.   Are you going to be a good union pilot when that happens?

Here they come again. Ferguson and Marty got them to take a big dose of purple drank.