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"Captain Munn says USAPA is not transparent, but gives no examples. For those who remember ALPAs closed executive session meetings, USAPAs openness is a breath of fresh air. Every resolution passed by USAPA has been after full, open debate. Captain Munn accuses union leadership of being on a Gravy train. Compared to LOA 95, where our former ALPA MEC signed off on line maximum for those on full-time union business, USAPAs 85 hours per month doesnt come close. Captain Munn doesnt mention that decision was voted on after open debate, as opposed to the old MEC signing LOA 95 without anyone knowing it was even there. USAPA could have just continued to follow LOA95, but it refused, opting for 85 hours instead."


Nobody lies more than Munn!!
 
prechilill said:
I believe the USAPA delay card is just about all used up.
It would be highly unusual for the NMB to declare the APA the CBA for all of us just yet. Aircraft livery, uniforms, IDs and especially the single carrier certificate which has yet to be issued sometime mid 2015 are all factors that determine single carrier status. USAPA should be around until at least a year from now. It ain't over yet.
 
end_of_alpa said:
It would be highly unusual for the NMB to declare the APA the CBA for all of us just yet. Aircraft livery, uniforms, IDs and especially the single carrier certificate which has yet to be issued sometime mid 2015 are all factors that determine single carrier status. USAPA should be around until at least a year from now. It ain't over yet.
Delta and Northwest merged on October 28, 2008,  and on November 4, 2008, ALPA filed a petition seeking a single carrier determination.   On January 7, 2009, the NMB issued the single carrier determination:
 
http://www.deltafa.org/pdf_library/nmb_finds_single_transportation_system.pdf
 
A year from now?   That would be "highly unusual."   
 
Freighterguynow said:
You claim the last 5 arbitrations went category and status.
 
Learn to read,  dimwit. 
 
United Continental 65% category and status.
 
I said none were  DOH/LOS and were closer to category and status or relative seniority.
 
USA320Pilot said:
Let's be honest here. USAPA's goal is to abrogate the final and binding process and jeopardize the labor-management dispute resolution process by disregarding a final and binding arbitration. USAPA's goal is to unilaterally impose an 8.5:1 ratio on the West pilots, which would virtually staple the entire West pilot group to the bottom of the joint seniority list then go to M-B. To assure this happens USAPA wants to continue to represent all US Airways pilots post SCC, but that violates the pilot’s contract and the RLA.[/size]But, let’s look at this a little deeper. We now know from Wesley Kennedy's declaration and other filings that AMR, LCC, and APA proposed a 3-way arbitration before the MOU TA. In addition, AMR, LCC, APA, and USAPA negotiated the MOU with the understanding that post SCC USAPA would cease to represent the US Airways pilots except as authorized by APA.[/size]In my opinion, this is why the CLT and PHL Reps fought the MOU, but under the threat of recall the CLT Reps made the MOU a TA and agreed to send out the MOU. Why? Political survival was more important than killing the MOU’s SCC authorization. Instead the UELs attempted to kill the MOU during the ratification process. But, the rank-and-file ratified the deal while the recall election was taking place.[/size]Little did the pilots know that by ratifying the MOU the pilots agreed to a process that would eventually permit the West pilots to introduce the Nicolau Award to the M-B BOA. Why? USAPA hide the truth from the pilots! Wow!Knowingly full well what had transpired, and keeping the truth from the rank-and-file, Pat Szymanski then successfully argued in the Addington II DFR trial that only the bargaining agent could negotiate seniority for its members and non-members. And, as I have said before Szmanski is right. Interestingly, unbeknown to the pilots and Judge Silver Szymanski was committing a Judicial Estoppel violation when arguing against US Airways' Summary Judgment seeking a 3-way arbitration based on USAPA’s SCC MOU agreement.[/size]Next Judge Silver compounded USAPA's growing problem and placed in her order that USAPA must cease all SLI work post SCC per the MOU and the RLA. [/size]This order exasperated USAPA’s problem and boxed the union into a corner. Then in a desperate move USAPA asked the NMB to set aside our contractual requirement for a 3-member arbitration panel and then filed a lawsuit against APA/AAG seeking a court order to remain the US Airways pilots (East and West) post SCC, which violates the MOU and RLA. [/size]Here's the salient point: By negotiating and ratifying the MOU USAPA waived its right to independently represent the US Airways pilots in the M-B arbitration, if held, because USAPA reached a TA and authorized SCC before the arbitration is held. [/size]So what's the bottom line? All USAPA has to do is agree to a 3-way arbitration with an APA, APA Legacy USAPA East, and APA Legacy USAPA West MC as proposed by APA and AAG and all of this fighting stops.[/size]But, USAPA is refusing to agree to this and is likely now waiting for the NMB and the District Court to issue an order favorable to APA and AAG. Why? USAPA did not want us to know their strategy failed and the UELs cannot politically agree to permit the Nicolau Award to be included in the M-B arbitration. Instead, this must be imposed on USAPA because the UELs cannot accept responsibility for their actions.[/size]The good news? Because of the West pilot's potential DFR lawsuit claim against APA and the West pilot's potential liability claim both AAG and APA are offering USAPA a 3-way arbitration where USAPA will have a seat at the M-B arbitration table to ensure a F&E ISL process.[/size]
Chip nails it!
 
prechilill said:
Chip nails it!
"We have learned that when Captain Munn is involved, be very afraid, if he’s on your side of the issue. "


You catch on soon cupcake.!
 
prechilill said:
Chip nails it!
 
Black Swan said:
Wow, if you believe this guy is on to anything you are done.
 
Ya gotta love it!  The westicle whack-a-doodles are hanging on his every word!  And he is even more clueless than they are, since he has had so much more time to be consistently wrong on everything.
 
AOL is finished, following Munn is like following the Rev. Jim Jones or David Koresh, good luck with that your only future is to die in PHX.
 
prechilill said:
Chip nails it!
USAPA represents 2 lists, APA represents 1 list. DOH with a fence to protect the west's attrition and APA&East widebodies works for me. Keep what you brought to the table.  
 
nevergiveup said:
USAPA represents 2 lists, APA represents 1 list. DOH with a fence to protect the west's attrition and APA&East widebodies works for me. Keep what you brought to the table.  
USAPA may represent two lists, but they must construct ONE list including East and West to present to the arbitrators. That is most certainly when the West will cry foul in a big way. Judge Silver said she had no list to compare to the NIC when she ruled, but she would have one if USAPA does what I described above.
 
Another question is, how did Delta man the Merger Committee for the Northwest pilots after single carrier status? It would be advantageous if we had a MC that was of our choosing to represent us (East and West...of course the West reps already quit AGAIN). I think that is what most of us are concerned about...facing a stacked deck in arbitration if indeed APA was forced to go that route instead of just placing us where they want us.
 
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