2014 Pilot Discussion

[Black Swan]

Go pull up the last East bid award. Look at all the guys in their last 12 months across the system. The numbers on the PHL 330 alone are huge. The entire list is going up.
Saying that, everyone I know hopes the seniority issue takes years to resolve.

 

[EastUS1]

It's been 16 days.....

 
Sigh! Is the sky falling yet again, chicken little? Relax. It could be 16 tons a day, which would almost then compete with the gross weight of mindless manure you dependably produce. 😉  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUpTJg2EBpw

 

[EastUS1]

Go pull up the last East bid award. Look at all the guys in their last 12 months across the system. The numbers on the PHL 330 alone are huge. The entire list is going up.
Saying that, everyone I know hopes the seniority issue takes years to resolve.

 
That goes with what I hear on the line as well. Why should the APA even possibly care? They maintain their in-house attrition and assets in the meanwhile, as does the east group. The only seriously distraught sub-section that's even reasonably imaginable would be those stubbornly self-confined to PHX. Oh Well/Too Bad/So Sad/etc.

 

[luvthe9]

Eric Ferguson must face the facts he deceived the west pilots. His incompetence in labor relations cost hundreds of west pilots 330 and 767 pay rates.
He has allowed hundreds of east pilots to claim those spots and pay. Date of Hire would have benefitted the west.
East pilots owe a debt of gratitude to Ferguson. His new Leonidas filing will delay integration and upgrades for years

Ferguson and Koontz should apologize to all the west pilots for lying and misleading them, not to mention all the wasted money these guys were swindled out of. The senior west pilots are fed up with AOL.

 

[luvthe9]

Nobody cares as long as Bill Wilder has got his hands on the wheel. The ones who should worry are the APA and West guys. There is going to be one big bid after another coming. All with huge movement off the top of the 330 and 76. The pay rates are only getting better by the day. And it looks like legal battles are going to keep the East separate ops for years. Fine by me.

Could not agree more, expansion at AA and US (east only). PHX should wake up, AOL has destroyed west pilot careers.

 

[EastUS1]

 

 

 
Great pic Trader. 😉  Thanks for sharing that one.

 

[EastUS1]

 PHX should wake up, AOL has destroyed west pilot careers.

 
 
I've not the slightest sympathy anymore. Let us not forget those wonderful people were so mindlessly selfish and arrogantly intent on placing even their 3 month/new hires ahead of  "fellow pilots" with 16+ years already worked, that they wouldn't ever consider discussing even the slightest compromise. "NO fences!"..."Final and Binding!"..."It's OVER!...Get used to it!"..."The nic will be crammed down your throats!"..."You can live on LOA93 forever!"/etc, ad nauseum. Well? "F" 'em if they can't take an entirely self-inflicted joke, much less realize themselves to be jokes. 😉 It's my honest estimation that the bulk of these self-styled "spartans" will never be good for anything more than serving as knee-pad-attired little wannabe-scabs/'ladies"-in-waiting on management's whims in any case.
 
BTW...Aren't we now long overdue for some mindless "spartan" providing us all yet another lecture on "karma"? 🙂

 

[luvthe9]

 
BTW...Aren't we now long overdue for some mindless "spartan" providing us all yet another lecture on "karma"? 🙂

Patience, that will coming from the mindless Traitor.

 

[cltrat]

 
 
I've not the slightest sympathy anymore. Let us not forget those wonderful people were so mindlessly selfish and arrogantly intent on placing even their 3 month/new hires ahead of  "fellow pilots" with 16+ years already worked, that they wouldn't ever consider discussing even the slightest compromise. "NO fences!"..."Final and Binding!"..."It's OVER!...Get used to it!"..."The nic will be crammed down your throats!"..."You can live on LOA93 forever!"/etc, ad nauseum. Well? "F" 'em if they can't take an entirely self-inflicted joke, much less realize themselves to be jokes. 😉 It's my honest estimation that the bulk of these self-styled "spartans" will never be good for anything more than serving as knee-pad-attired little scabs/'ladies"-in-waiting on management whims in any case.
 
BTW...Aren't we now long overdue for some mindless "spartan" providing us all yet another lecture on "karma"? 🙂

the most asinine comment and the funniest about this little shotgun wedding was to see it described as an acquisition....lol too funny

 

[EastUS1]

"Flew one of their hunks of chit today, very careful preflight. Looked for dents, dings, tail strikes, anything they could try to Pin on us. Be careful out there."

 
"very careful preflight. Looked for dents, dings, tail strikes" Is doing those really such a new concept?
 
An open question for aviators everywhere: What sort of supposedly "professional pilot" would ever change his/her pre-flight protocols based solely on the N number of any aircraft?...And since when is childish concern with "anything they could try to Pin on us" a "reason" for modifying what's presumably years of well-practiced behavior patterns?...If said behaviors existed at all, that is?

 

[nycbusdriver]

 All with huge movement off the top of the 330 and 76. The pay rates are only getting better by the day. And it looks like legal battles are going to keep the East separate ops for years. Fine by me.

 
The June, 2014, bid shows 74 wide-body line captains retiring within 12 months.   On that bid, there were 363 wide-body line captains system wide.  That's slightly over 20% of the system wide-body line captains retired by about this time next year.  
 
Keep delaying, AOL.  Those 18 month seniority E190 captains will be in those wide-body seats long before you get to bid it.
 
Fine by me, too.

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
 
Great pic Trader. 😉  Thanks for sharing that one.

 
I must agree....looks like "Mother Duck and her baby."

 

[Freighterguynow]

Odds of this being done by Dec., 2015?

Slightly better than Liberace kicking the Ultimate Warrior in the stones during the Eternal Cage Match.

 

[EastUS1]

Slightly better than Liberace kicking the Ultimate Warrior in the stones during the Eternal Cage Match.

 
Agreed. Given that the former shed the mortal coil in 1987, and the latter this very year; that would make placing any high-odds bet, even in Vegas, a bit problematic...And I'll not even begin to presume on the Eternal, as that gets downright scary. Woody Allen: "I'm not afraid of death, I just don't want to be there when it happens." 😉

 

[luvthe9]

West pilots should be very worried about their status, sounds like some Hawaii flying will be transferred over to AA, to bad.