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nycbusdriver said:
Kirch knew DOH was not our best strategy but was forced under the treat of being removed from the Committee to go with it.
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Kirch knew DOH was not our best strategy but was forced under the treat of being removed from the Committee to go with it.
snapthis said:
That's high praise indeed, especially from a self-styled "spartan", but you unduly flatter me. On my best day ever, well, who could ever even begin to compare to your fine bunch of "Lords and Ladies"?...And "wizards", of course? 😉
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT8H9smpK3U&list=PL5DCDEE4D2ADA2659
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7lgU3J5seA&list=PL21C1C7D32B996827
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traderjake said:
Then he should have gone back to the line.
History is repetitive only to those that do not study it and adjust their focus on a goal.
alpa minus the l is apa.
apa is not your friend. USAPA and its past and current leaders have always studied history.
Update for January 18, 2008
Part 3 of the Trilogy
Fellow Philadelphia Pilots,
We just got done reading another Chairman’s message which has inspired us to release part three of our trilogy started last month.
Does anyone really believe that there won’t be a “10 day lock down?” ALPA National and our Chairman need this to happen to legitimize what will come next. And hey, don’t worry about the cost….ALPA has it covered. Additionally the Wilson center polling will provide additional cover for ALPA self serving actions. The only thing they don’t have covered yet, is your vote…..they’ll be working on that with FUD. Did you notice Jack didn’t mention our parity and retro pay.
On December 1st our MEC Chairman Captain Jack Stephan penned another one of his messages distributed to all pilots from the Chairman’s bully pulpit. In that missive we fondly titled, The Firewall Chat, Jack disparages the actions of your PHL reps and claims inaccuracies in our Council 41 Updates.
Once again, Jack's true colors are showing.
Here are a few observations and comments your PHL reps would like to share with you regarding a few pertinent messages from MEC Chairman Jack Stephan:
May 4, 2007: He shared “in your outrage and your indignation” about the Nicolau Award. He also assured us that the MEC “will not just sit back and remain victims of this travesty.”
May 21, 2007: In front of 400 Pilots at the Bus Trip to Herndon, Jack tells Captain Prater we are not interested in “Fixing the Nicolau Award.”
Flip-flop to:
December 1, 2007: Jack writes that you will be “asked to ratify a single agreement that would implement the Nicolau Award.”
Then, in his Chairman’s message dated December 15, 2007 he’s back to:
And again, let me make this perfectly clear. The Nicolau Award, as is, will never see the light of
day.
September 6, 2004: MEC Communications Chairman Jack Stephan is the ultimate master of incendiary
and divisive communications as he served ex-MEC “Chairman-For-Life” Bill Pollock in the attempt to
get you to buy onto the ALPA-sponsored 6 cents CASM scheme. This time period, the summer and fall
of 2004 found this pilot group divided and fighting among themselves, loaded with misinformation and
political mudslinging under the leadership of Bill Pollock and Jack Stephan. Does anyone believe we
would still be working some three years later under a bankruptcy court 1113 imposed contract, today?
Great advice.
November 7, 2007: Jack warns us that “Incendiary and divisive communications will only bring us back
to the dismal days of LOA 93. It didn’t work for us then and it won’t work now.”
Waffle House doesn’t have this many waffles.
What’s the difference between then and now?
The short story is that someone is up to something, but their actions are not out in the light. This
illegally-formed and illegally staffed Blue Ribbon Committee has begun to morph into a Shadow
MEC/JNC, complete with ALPA National lawyers doing behind-the-scenes support, and members of
the JNC hard at work. The phrase “implementation of the Nicolau Award” is showing up more and more
in official MEC Chairman’s communications on both sides of the Mississippi. Just who was it who
helped Jack get over his outrage and indignation?
We won’t be part of it.
No, Jack, we will NOT stop turning on the kitchen light when the cockroaches are at work. Your feeble
attempt to shame us into shutting our mouths by crying “Unity” will only bring us back to the dismal
days of LOA 93. It didn’t work for us then and it won’t work now. The pilots are tired of back room
deals, secret meetings, ACPCs, and closed MEC meetings. But mostly the pilots are tired of the politics
and the infighting. The pilots are tired of failed leadership that has been rampant for the past several
years.
Instead of Firewall Chats from the bully pulpit, Jack, why don’t you start giving the dues-paying pilots
some answers to the following questions:
Page 2 of 4
1/19/2008
• Why was the election for this ‘Blue Ribbon Committee’ not on any Agenda? Why was it born
from the shadows?
• Just who invited the lawyers into this process? Was the effort to keep them away from DEN
merely a smoke screen?
• Who wrote this “counter-proposal” to the process? Where is it, and what exactly is it a
counter-proposal to?
• Why has the de-facto Chairman of this ‘Blue Ribbon Committee’ re-commissioned the JNC in
violation of a standing MEC Resolution?
• Why have you, Jack, interfered with the stated position of this MEC and the desires of this
pilot group by interjecting your will to re-enter the JNC process, demonstrated by calling 9
special MEC Meetings during a 3 months period?
• Do you think the pilots have finally figured out who looks out for the membership first and
who looks out for the Association first?
• Who wrote the “Pledge of Allegiance to ALPA” letter which, to your chagrin, we refused to
sign? And why was it written?
• Why is the term "implement the Nicolau Award" showing up in every proposal to move
forward?
The pilots have supported this MEC all summer and fall, and the resolutions this MEC has passed. The
desire of the pilots is to continue this path, as we continued to capture our attrition and protect our
precious seniority. This pilot group has unified like never before. Only this time Jack, the pilots see the
ALPA mothership and its failed leadership for what it is. The line pilots see ALPA National as an
obstacle to their futures, not the path to a better profession. Unfortunately, this is in direct conflict with
the few who see ALPA National as a meal ticket to a better job outside of US Airways.
We have been beaten to the bottom of the barrel by the very people who claim to represent us. We may
be slow learners, but we have collectively awakened.
Your world has changed, Jack.
It’s time to honor the MEC resolutions and work to represent the will of the line pilots. Its time to stop
the back room deals, the secret meetings, the closed meetings and the political backstabbing. It’s time to start working for the line pilot of US Airways. It is happening with, or without you, Jack!
Follow the three prong approach, Fly safe, Family First, and SAP down for quality of lif
1/19/2008
Fraternally,
Eric Rowe Dave Ciabattoni Jim Portale
Chairman Vice Chairman Secretary/Treasurer
alpa minus the l is apa.
apa is not your friend. USAPA and its past and current leaders have always studied history.
Update for January 18, 2008
Part 3 of the Trilogy
Fellow Philadelphia Pilots,
We just got done reading another Chairman’s message which has inspired us to release part three of our trilogy started last month.
Does anyone really believe that there won’t be a “10 day lock down?” ALPA National and our Chairman need this to happen to legitimize what will come next. And hey, don’t worry about the cost….ALPA has it covered. Additionally the Wilson center polling will provide additional cover for ALPA self serving actions. The only thing they don’t have covered yet, is your vote…..they’ll be working on that with FUD. Did you notice Jack didn’t mention our parity and retro pay.
On December 1st our MEC Chairman Captain Jack Stephan penned another one of his messages distributed to all pilots from the Chairman’s bully pulpit. In that missive we fondly titled, The Firewall Chat, Jack disparages the actions of your PHL reps and claims inaccuracies in our Council 41 Updates.
Once again, Jack's true colors are showing.
Here are a few observations and comments your PHL reps would like to share with you regarding a few pertinent messages from MEC Chairman Jack Stephan:
May 4, 2007: He shared “in your outrage and your indignation” about the Nicolau Award. He also assured us that the MEC “will not just sit back and remain victims of this travesty.”
May 21, 2007: In front of 400 Pilots at the Bus Trip to Herndon, Jack tells Captain Prater we are not interested in “Fixing the Nicolau Award.”
Flip-flop to:
December 1, 2007: Jack writes that you will be “asked to ratify a single agreement that would implement the Nicolau Award.”
Then, in his Chairman’s message dated December 15, 2007 he’s back to:
And again, let me make this perfectly clear. The Nicolau Award, as is, will never see the light of
day.
September 6, 2004: MEC Communications Chairman Jack Stephan is the ultimate master of incendiary
and divisive communications as he served ex-MEC “Chairman-For-Life” Bill Pollock in the attempt to
get you to buy onto the ALPA-sponsored 6 cents CASM scheme. This time period, the summer and fall
of 2004 found this pilot group divided and fighting among themselves, loaded with misinformation and
political mudslinging under the leadership of Bill Pollock and Jack Stephan. Does anyone believe we
would still be working some three years later under a bankruptcy court 1113 imposed contract, today?
Great advice.
November 7, 2007: Jack warns us that “Incendiary and divisive communications will only bring us back
to the dismal days of LOA 93. It didn’t work for us then and it won’t work now.”
Waffle House doesn’t have this many waffles.
What’s the difference between then and now?
The short story is that someone is up to something, but their actions are not out in the light. This
illegally-formed and illegally staffed Blue Ribbon Committee has begun to morph into a Shadow
MEC/JNC, complete with ALPA National lawyers doing behind-the-scenes support, and members of
the JNC hard at work. The phrase “implementation of the Nicolau Award” is showing up more and more
in official MEC Chairman’s communications on both sides of the Mississippi. Just who was it who
helped Jack get over his outrage and indignation?
We won’t be part of it.
No, Jack, we will NOT stop turning on the kitchen light when the cockroaches are at work. Your feeble
attempt to shame us into shutting our mouths by crying “Unity” will only bring us back to the dismal
days of LOA 93. It didn’t work for us then and it won’t work now. The pilots are tired of back room
deals, secret meetings, ACPCs, and closed MEC meetings. But mostly the pilots are tired of the politics
and the infighting. The pilots are tired of failed leadership that has been rampant for the past several
years.
Instead of Firewall Chats from the bully pulpit, Jack, why don’t you start giving the dues-paying pilots
some answers to the following questions:
Page 2 of 4
1/19/2008
• Why was the election for this ‘Blue Ribbon Committee’ not on any Agenda? Why was it born
from the shadows?
• Just who invited the lawyers into this process? Was the effort to keep them away from DEN
merely a smoke screen?
• Who wrote this “counter-proposal” to the process? Where is it, and what exactly is it a
counter-proposal to?
• Why has the de-facto Chairman of this ‘Blue Ribbon Committee’ re-commissioned the JNC in
violation of a standing MEC Resolution?
• Why have you, Jack, interfered with the stated position of this MEC and the desires of this
pilot group by interjecting your will to re-enter the JNC process, demonstrated by calling 9
special MEC Meetings during a 3 months period?
• Do you think the pilots have finally figured out who looks out for the membership first and
who looks out for the Association first?
• Who wrote the “Pledge of Allegiance to ALPA” letter which, to your chagrin, we refused to
sign? And why was it written?
• Why is the term "implement the Nicolau Award" showing up in every proposal to move
forward?
The pilots have supported this MEC all summer and fall, and the resolutions this MEC has passed. The
desire of the pilots is to continue this path, as we continued to capture our attrition and protect our
precious seniority. This pilot group has unified like never before. Only this time Jack, the pilots see the
ALPA mothership and its failed leadership for what it is. The line pilots see ALPA National as an
obstacle to their futures, not the path to a better profession. Unfortunately, this is in direct conflict with
the few who see ALPA National as a meal ticket to a better job outside of US Airways.
We have been beaten to the bottom of the barrel by the very people who claim to represent us. We may
be slow learners, but we have collectively awakened.
Your world has changed, Jack.
It’s time to honor the MEC resolutions and work to represent the will of the line pilots. Its time to stop
the back room deals, the secret meetings, the closed meetings and the political backstabbing. It’s time to start working for the line pilot of US Airways. It is happening with, or without you, Jack!
Follow the three prong approach, Fly safe, Family First, and SAP down for quality of lif
1/19/2008
Fraternally,
Eric Rowe Dave Ciabattoni Jim Portale
Chairman Vice Chairman Secretary/Treasurer
west pilots, your choice. apa, army of lyingitas or USAPA?
history lesson.
"J R Baker asked of Lance Svendsen….where’s the army of hundreds of USAPA supporters with their lanyards. Maybe JR thinks USAPA is just a mirage and maybe it is from the heat in the desert…but here’s what I saw; About four out of five pilots at the event were wearing USAPA lanyards…subtract those there on the ALPA payroll that day and you’re up to seven outof eight. Go ahead JR, go back and tell your boys it isn’t real. That will make it easy for your MEC to save the Association’s butt on this property."
Update for January 25, 2008
A Late Christmas Present
Fellow Philadelphia Pilots,
Eric was in CLT on Tuesday for the CLT (N-O-T) LEC Meeting. My biggest impression from the day
was this: every person attending an event has a different perspective on what happened…..by a LOT!
Here are some snippets from Tuesday’s events.
• J R Baker asked of Lance Svendsen….where’s the army of hundreds of USAPA supporters
with their lanyards. Maybe JR thinks USAPA is just a mirage and maybe it is from the heat in
the desert…but here’s what I saw; About four out of five pilots at the event were wearing
USAPA lanyards…subtract those there on the ALPA payroll that day and you’re up to seven out
of eight. Go ahead JR, go back and tell your boys it isn’t real. That will make it easy for your
MEC to save the Association’s butt on this property.
• Lance Svendsen told me he believes Ninety-Five percent…yep 95% UNDECIDED! I simply
cannot reconcile the three, including my own, observations.
• Lance also told a pilot that he thought it was OK for the company to discipline a pilot within
the ASAP program. Now you think that splitting PIT between CLT and DCA had nothing to do
with political engineering?
• John Prater hasn’t learned that guys with questionable union backgrounds don’t make great
point men. Unbelievably, Pat Burke of New York Air fame showed up and preached to some US
Air guys how lucky they were to have had the highest rates in the industry “way back then.”
Someone please tell Uncle John that Pat still has some ‘Ol Navy buddies here at US Air! I won’t
forget either that had I not been rescued by Bishop Bork, Mike Wilson and Captain Gannas at
Allegheny, Pat would have put me out on the street had I taken the job at TI (Texas International for
you young guys) instead.
• Chris Beebe gets it.
• I talked to a handful of CLT pilots who were upset with Philly communications…all I can say
is don’t read the works of the devil while sitting in church! I did enjoy some civil conversations
with four of the “decided” fellows. I was left with the definite impression that they want peace
at any cost…no kidding! Heck, I’m not even that much of a liberal….and my truck has had a
four foot banner on the tailgate for three years asking “So What Do You Think of This War
Now?”
My Assessment after Tuesday
• ALPA’s top brass are very concerned. They know the threat to the Association is real.
• Most of ALPA’s supporters have no bottom line. They are dogmatic.
• Many ALPA reps are seriously underestimating the magnitude of and depth of support of
USAPA.
• The GDR (BRC) committee and their counterparts have a nearly impossible task in front of
them.
• ALPA has bet its life on the ability of the West MEC to “puke up” Nicolau.
• If the West MEC pukes up the Nicolau Award, every time one of them goes to pee on
company property they will be reminded of it.
• Things are going to start happening fast.
• Things will go according to the game plan of the New York City lawyers….NOT MEC
RESOLUTIONS!
Hold On Boys
Uncle John Showed UP For Christmas
A Little Late
Uncle John Prater showed up for Christmas the other day a little late. Would someone tell him you
Page 2 of 5
1/25/2008
don’t give little kids envelopes of money for gifts….it’s just not thoughtful. Give them what they want.
At least a little something of what they ask for…Don’t worry; you won’t spoil them on that one special
day of the year. By the way, it isn’t an appropriate gift for grown men either. Particularly those just
stripped of years of their hard earned seniority and longevity. So, merry Christmas Boys! Your debts are
forgiven! We got some of our own money back for Christmas. As a special gift to you Captain Jack,
here’s another $300K for going back into JNC talks AGAINST A STANDING MEC RESOLUTION.
YOU GUYS ARE GONNA LOVE
VALENTINES DAY!
history lesson.
"J R Baker asked of Lance Svendsen….where’s the army of hundreds of USAPA supporters with their lanyards. Maybe JR thinks USAPA is just a mirage and maybe it is from the heat in the desert…but here’s what I saw; About four out of five pilots at the event were wearing USAPA lanyards…subtract those there on the ALPA payroll that day and you’re up to seven outof eight. Go ahead JR, go back and tell your boys it isn’t real. That will make it easy for your MEC to save the Association’s butt on this property."
Update for January 25, 2008
A Late Christmas Present
Fellow Philadelphia Pilots,
Eric was in CLT on Tuesday for the CLT (N-O-T) LEC Meeting. My biggest impression from the day
was this: every person attending an event has a different perspective on what happened…..by a LOT!
Here are some snippets from Tuesday’s events.
• J R Baker asked of Lance Svendsen….where’s the army of hundreds of USAPA supporters
with their lanyards. Maybe JR thinks USAPA is just a mirage and maybe it is from the heat in
the desert…but here’s what I saw; About four out of five pilots at the event were wearing
USAPA lanyards…subtract those there on the ALPA payroll that day and you’re up to seven out
of eight. Go ahead JR, go back and tell your boys it isn’t real. That will make it easy for your
MEC to save the Association’s butt on this property.
• Lance Svendsen told me he believes Ninety-Five percent…yep 95% UNDECIDED! I simply
cannot reconcile the three, including my own, observations.
• Lance also told a pilot that he thought it was OK for the company to discipline a pilot within
the ASAP program. Now you think that splitting PIT between CLT and DCA had nothing to do
with political engineering?
• John Prater hasn’t learned that guys with questionable union backgrounds don’t make great
point men. Unbelievably, Pat Burke of New York Air fame showed up and preached to some US
Air guys how lucky they were to have had the highest rates in the industry “way back then.”
Someone please tell Uncle John that Pat still has some ‘Ol Navy buddies here at US Air! I won’t
forget either that had I not been rescued by Bishop Bork, Mike Wilson and Captain Gannas at
Allegheny, Pat would have put me out on the street had I taken the job at TI (Texas International for
you young guys) instead.
• Chris Beebe gets it.
• I talked to a handful of CLT pilots who were upset with Philly communications…all I can say
is don’t read the works of the devil while sitting in church! I did enjoy some civil conversations
with four of the “decided” fellows. I was left with the definite impression that they want peace
at any cost…no kidding! Heck, I’m not even that much of a liberal….and my truck has had a
four foot banner on the tailgate for three years asking “So What Do You Think of This War
Now?”
My Assessment after Tuesday
• ALPA’s top brass are very concerned. They know the threat to the Association is real.
• Most of ALPA’s supporters have no bottom line. They are dogmatic.
• Many ALPA reps are seriously underestimating the magnitude of and depth of support of
USAPA.
• The GDR (BRC) committee and their counterparts have a nearly impossible task in front of
them.
• ALPA has bet its life on the ability of the West MEC to “puke up” Nicolau.
• If the West MEC pukes up the Nicolau Award, every time one of them goes to pee on
company property they will be reminded of it.
• Things are going to start happening fast.
• Things will go according to the game plan of the New York City lawyers….NOT MEC
RESOLUTIONS!
Hold On Boys
Uncle John Showed UP For Christmas
A Little Late
Uncle John Prater showed up for Christmas the other day a little late. Would someone tell him you
Page 2 of 5
1/25/2008
don’t give little kids envelopes of money for gifts….it’s just not thoughtful. Give them what they want.
At least a little something of what they ask for…Don’t worry; you won’t spoil them on that one special
day of the year. By the way, it isn’t an appropriate gift for grown men either. Particularly those just
stripped of years of their hard earned seniority and longevity. So, merry Christmas Boys! Your debts are
forgiven! We got some of our own money back for Christmas. As a special gift to you Captain Jack,
here’s another $300K for going back into JNC talks AGAINST A STANDING MEC RESOLUTION.
YOU GUYS ARE GONNA LOVE
VALENTINES DAY!
traderjake
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luvthe9 said:
As opposed to your sad cries for another helping of chicken?
Excuse me, I am trying to study the chameleon inspired history of alpa seniority list integrations.
"In the Matter of the
Seniority Integration Dispute
Between
THE PILOTS OF NORTHWEST AIRLINES 1
and THE FORMER PILOTS OF REPUBLIC AIRLINES )
OPINION AND AWARD OPINION"
"I n t h e Matter
of t h e 1 Federal Express - Flying T i g e r s
: P i l o t and F l i g h t Engineer T r i - P a r t i t e -
I S e n i o r i t y I n t e g r a t i o n A r b i t r a t i o n"
"SENIORITY:
Seniority s h a l l continue t o be governed by the provisions of Section 19 of the
Basic Agreement except as follows:
A. Former Enpire p i l o t s shall be placed on the Piedmont Pilot System
Seniority List on January 3, 1986 following the most junior Piedmont
p i l o t i n the same order that they appear on the Empire Pilot Seniority
List dated January 15, 1986."
"Daniel M. Katz, Esq.
Ellen Ranzman , Attorney
KATZ & RANZMAN
1899 L S t r e e t , N.W. - Suite 1250
Washington, D.C. 20036
Ronald B. Natalie, Esq.
Dean R. Brenner, Esq.
VERNER, LIIPFERT, BERNARD,
McPHERSON AND HAND
The McPherson Building, Suite 700
901 - 15th S t r e e t , N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20005-2301
Re: USAir/Piedmont P i l o t S e n i o r i t y
I n t e g r a t i o n A r b i t r a t i o n
Dear Counsel:
Enclosed is a signed copy of the Opinion and Award of
the Board of A r b i t r a t i o n in the above-noted matter.
We take t h i s opportunity t o thank Counsel and t h e Merger
Committees €or t h e i r consideration and c o u r t e s i e s .
Sincerely yours,
Sam Kagel .,.,
A r b i t r a t o r
SK:dj"
"In the Matter of the
Seniority Integration Dispute
Between
THE PILOTS OF NORTHWEST AIRLINES 1
and THE FORMER PILOTS OF REPUBLIC AIRLINES )
OPINION AND AWARD OPINION"
"I n t h e Matter
of t h e 1 Federal Express - Flying T i g e r s
: P i l o t and F l i g h t Engineer T r i - P a r t i t e -
I S e n i o r i t y I n t e g r a t i o n A r b i t r a t i o n"
"SENIORITY:
Seniority s h a l l continue t o be governed by the provisions of Section 19 of the
Basic Agreement except as follows:
A. Former Enpire p i l o t s shall be placed on the Piedmont Pilot System
Seniority List on January 3, 1986 following the most junior Piedmont
p i l o t i n the same order that they appear on the Empire Pilot Seniority
List dated January 15, 1986."
"Daniel M. Katz, Esq.
Ellen Ranzman , Attorney
KATZ & RANZMAN
1899 L S t r e e t , N.W. - Suite 1250
Washington, D.C. 20036
Ronald B. Natalie, Esq.
Dean R. Brenner, Esq.
VERNER, LIIPFERT, BERNARD,
McPHERSON AND HAND
The McPherson Building, Suite 700
901 - 15th S t r e e t , N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20005-2301
Re: USAir/Piedmont P i l o t S e n i o r i t y
I n t e g r a t i o n A r b i t r a t i o n
Dear Counsel:
Enclosed is a signed copy of the Opinion and Award of
the Board of A r b i t r a t i o n in the above-noted matter.
We take t h i s opportunity t o thank Counsel and t h e Merger
Committees €or t h e i r consideration and c o u r t e s i e s .
Sincerely yours,
Sam Kagel .,.,
A r b i t r a t o r
SK:dj"
I am now trying to study the seniority list integration methods of the allied pilots association who represent american airlines pilots.
Air Cal, Reno, TWA, america west and USAirways pilots combined with american airlines pilots.
I will get back to you, but this pesky and involved McCaskill-Bond Act is not light reading.
http://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/events/labor_law/2012/03/railway_airline_labor_law_committee_midwinter_meeting/mw2012rla_jermanjoshi.authcheckdam.pdf
Air Cal, Reno, TWA, america west and USAirways pilots combined with american airlines pilots.
I will get back to you, but this pesky and involved McCaskill-Bond Act is not light reading.
http://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/events/labor_law/2012/03/railway_airline_labor_law_committee_midwinter_meeting/mw2012rla_jermanjoshi.authcheckdam.pdf
"AGENDA ITEM NO.
UAL-MEC Merger Committee Report
January 2006 UAL-MEC Meeting
While the UAL-MEC Merger Committee does not usually submit written reports to the
regular quarterly MEC meetings unless some merger activity is ongoing, our committee
seems to be the focus of increased interest these days. Effective January 1, 2006, your
new UAL-MEC Merger Committee assumed office. Your new committee personnel are:
Chairman David A. Smith
B-767 / 757 Captain DENFO
Seniority Number 882
Member Brian Graver
A-320 F/O SFOFO
Seniority Number 6174
Alternate Member Garth Thompson
B-767 / 757 F/O ORDFO
Seniority Number 3902
As you can plainly see, our committee represents a healthy cross-section of the United
pilot group. We all wanted to thank the UAL-MEC for their confidence and trust in
electing us to this important committee.
While we do not know any more than what is in the public eye, we do know that Glenn
Tilton has made numerous public comments concerning industry consolidation and
potential acquisitions. Your UAL-MEC Merger Committee fully understands the
significant responsibility we have concerning protecting the future of our pilot group.
Our committee has already embarked on an information gathering and educational
effort amongst ourselves. We have collected all of the merger decisions dating back
over half a century and are studying these seniority integrations. We do know that no
matter what happens in this industry, this committee will be prepared to deal with the
decision of our management.
We also know that the United pilots have high expectations, and rightfully so, of the
protection of their career expectations after having suffered so much in bankruptcy. We
know that this committee has the strong support of the MEC and we look forward to
your continued input, recommendations and ideas as to how to best represent the
United pilot group.
Best wishes for a successful 2006. We are prepared.
David Smith
Brian Graver
Garth Thompson"
UAL-MEC Merger Committee Report
January 2006 UAL-MEC Meeting
While the UAL-MEC Merger Committee does not usually submit written reports to the
regular quarterly MEC meetings unless some merger activity is ongoing, our committee
seems to be the focus of increased interest these days. Effective January 1, 2006, your
new UAL-MEC Merger Committee assumed office. Your new committee personnel are:
Chairman David A. Smith
B-767 / 757 Captain DENFO
Seniority Number 882
Member Brian Graver
A-320 F/O SFOFO
Seniority Number 6174
Alternate Member Garth Thompson
B-767 / 757 F/O ORDFO
Seniority Number 3902
As you can plainly see, our committee represents a healthy cross-section of the United
pilot group. We all wanted to thank the UAL-MEC for their confidence and trust in
electing us to this important committee.
While we do not know any more than what is in the public eye, we do know that Glenn
Tilton has made numerous public comments concerning industry consolidation and
potential acquisitions. Your UAL-MEC Merger Committee fully understands the
significant responsibility we have concerning protecting the future of our pilot group.
Our committee has already embarked on an information gathering and educational
effort amongst ourselves. We have collected all of the merger decisions dating back
over half a century and are studying these seniority integrations. We do know that no
matter what happens in this industry, this committee will be prepared to deal with the
decision of our management.
We also know that the United pilots have high expectations, and rightfully so, of the
protection of their career expectations after having suffered so much in bankruptcy. We
know that this committee has the strong support of the MEC and we look forward to
your continued input, recommendations and ideas as to how to best represent the
United pilot group.
Best wishes for a successful 2006. We are prepared.
David Smith
Brian Graver
Garth Thompson"
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