2014 Pilot Discussion

[Beancounter]

Why do you think PHX is a pilot group that was never integrated? It's because the things that HAD to happen for the Nic list to become real, never did. And now because of the merger with AA, they can never happen... So yes, the Nic did exist, with VERY specific things that needed to occur to make it official. Those things didn't happen, and now they CAN'T... 
 
Let's move on...

I completely agree, it's time to move on/forward.

Bean

 

[Phoenix]

The fight has always been about upgrades and wide bodies. The fight will never end, so there will never be a final winner. Oh sure the fight will be more vigorous at times, and maybe appear a little dormant at other times, but it will always be measured in terms of who is ahead, and by how much, at any given snapshot.

 

[EastUS1]

How ironic it is the West pilots are saving the East pilot's bacon... 

 
Sigh! That's fully demonstrative of an amazingly high need for constant attention, clinically delusional illness, or both.

 

[Freighterguynow]

:huh: Ummmmmm, PHX is the pilot group that was never integrated, the one that came from a different airline, big difference.
 
Bean

Yes, you are correct. The downfall is you are the most easily eliminated.

Seems to be lost among the West posters is the fact you have based your current legal positions upon a case that is under APPEAL.

2 to 3 years to get an answer then start we can talking about a joint sli another 2-3 years. The whole time you will be fenced off from everything.

Truly hope you get what you paid for.

 

[nevergiveup]

 
US Airways pilot are represented by USAPA. That includes PHL, CLT, DCA and PHX. Why would PHX get their own MC? Perhaps CLT and PHL should too. And they are the only ones flying widebodies... Sorry DCA... lol. See how ridiculous that sounds?

Having representation at the arbitration is all but pointless, as proven by the failed Nicoleau arbitration disaster.

 

[electricjet98]

Having representation at the arbitration is all but pointless, as proven by the failed Nicoleau arbitration disaster.

It was the east line pilot's and AAA MEC's attitude of superiority and unwillingness to compromise that was proven by the Nicholau Award to be pointless.

 

[nevergiveup]

It was the east line pilot's and AAA MEC's attitude of superiority and unwillingness to compromise that was proven by the Nicholau Award to be pointless.

Actually, it was the arbitrator's failure to use any guidelines for making his decision. Fortunately, MB and the Mahogany policy will provide them this time.

 

[traderjake]

Actually, it was the arbitrator's failure to use any guidelines for making his decision. Fortunately, MB and the Mahogany policy will provide them this time.

 
It was the stupidy of the East pilot group for thinking that the same arbitrator that did the Shuttle arbitration was going to give us anything near DOH. 

 

[snapthis]

One with an open wager to the sorry likes of "you'se", with funds only to be held in the hands of a mutually agreed upon agency, and disbursed only after contractual terms are completed. 😉
 
"You'se" might want to someday study actual Spartan history. They were NOT much known for your sort of perpetual whining.

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[Freighterguynow]

How ironic it is the West pilots are saving the East pilot's bacon... 
 
From the APA's Doc 26-1, page 9-10:
Under MOU Paragraph 10(a), the seniority arbitration cannot begin until the after parties have finalized a JCBA. The timing of the JCBA is in turn determined by when the National Mediation Board (NMB) makes a finding that the two pre-merger airlines have become a single carrier for labor relations purposes. Paragraph 26 provides that APA shall file a single carrier petition with the NMB as soon as practicable after [the date of the merger]. . . . If and when the NMB makes a single-carrier finding, the single carrier acknowledged by the NMB and the certified representative shall be governed by this [MOU]. Paragraph 27 requires that the parties reach agreement on the JCBA within 30 days after the NMB makes a single carrier finding and certifies the collective bargaining representative for that carrier. If the parties are unable to reach agreement, they must submit the unresolved issues to interest arbitration on a compressed schedule. Accordingly, under Paragraph 10(a), the seniority integration arbitration may not commence until this process is complete.
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The MOU crafted by LCC, AMR, APA, and USAPA permitted the APA to file for SCS within 4 months. APA accelerated the process and filed for SCC within 30 days of the MOU becoming effective. I believe almost everyone understood USAPA would not be the surviving Agent. Judge Silver's Addington II DDR Order shut USAPA down immediately upon SCC determination. USAPA had their chance to obtain a PA with everything they wanted but the UELs once again blew it. When will we learn?[/size]
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At least US Airways' pilots wont have to worry about the UELs ever hurting the pilots again in the not-too-distant future. USAPA's time is over, but the good news is that AAG and APA are going to provide a F&E SLI process. How ironic it is the West pilots are saving the East pilot's bacon because it's AOL's DFR/Liability claim threat that is ensuring a F&E M-B ISL process after the MOU was ratified. [/size]
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An informed pilot wrote another accurate post when he said, The Protocol negotiations were the company and APA's way of giving USAPA the opportunity to remain relevant. However, USAPA's blind hatred for the west prevented them from closing out the agreement. The agreement provided everything USAPA was looking for except their ability to get rid of the Nic. [/size]
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[nevergiveup]

 
It was the stupidy of the East pilot group for thinking that the same arbitrator that did the Shuttle arbitration was going to give us anything near DOH. 

Guess what, it hurt you more than it did the east! Deal gone. Learn something here. It must be something both sides can live with!

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
It was the stupidy of the East pilot group for thinking that the same arbitrator that did the Shuttle arbitration was going to give us anything near DOH. 

 
We can agree on that.  I guess that's our 2014 Annual Agreement.
 
You only get two more before I retire.

 

[nycbusdriver]

It was the east line pilot's and AAA MEC's attitude of superiority and unwillingness to compromise that was proven by the Nicholau Award to be pointless.

 
Let's get Kirch back on the Merger Committee!

 

[nevergiveup]

It was the east line pilot's and AAA MEC's attitude of superiority and unwillingness to compromise that was proven by the Nicholau Award to be pointless.

He sure spanked the east, but look at how it hurt the west. I still blame ALPA's failure to have a concrete merger policy and not the foo foo can't we all just get along method they had. 

 

[EastUS1]

Ok, to proceed, you will need to....

 
Nope. To proceed, "you'se" just need to PM for arrangements. I won't hold my breath for that ever happening. I doubt filling out any form will help you, so just go buy some more "heroic" ties to assuage any hurt feelings. http://www.cactuspilotcontributors.com/libertynecktie.html
 
Thanks for the usual laughs. 😉