2014 Pilot Discussion

[luvthe9]

First, your predictions have the accuracy of a Scud. Secondly, you need to bone up on MB issues. You are telling lies again. USAPA will be representing ALL USAirways east pilots. They do NOT go away as you infer and lie.

What do you expect form Munn's mouth piece.

"Captain Munn and his few supporters have put out a constant stream of misrepresentations that are easily disproved. They want a return to the ALPA of old."

 

[Phoenix]

.......and the West MC will be chosen by their peers.

Alex Jones didn't tell you that.. You've been talking to Chip again. You should stick with Alex, he occasionally has a lucky streak.

 

[traderjake]

The first step is denial.
 
Your journey has begun.

 

[Phoenix]

Denial is the first step in overcoming grief about a loss that has already occurred, as in past tense. There you go with your infamous implicit assumptions again.

Resorting to implicit assumption is the last step in the process of justifying a payout of $675 for a $20 tie. All sales are final. No returns or exchages.

 

[algflyr]

 
.......and the West MC will be chosen by their peers.

 
US Airways pilot are represented by USAPA. That includes PHL, CLT, DCA and PHX. Why would PHX get their own MC? Perhaps CLT and PHL should too. And they are the only ones flying widebodies... Sorry DCA... lol. See how ridiculous that sounds?

 

[cltrat]

it sure seems jolly ole St Nic is not going to make an appearance at any rate.

 

[im back..!!]

 
.......and the West MC will be chosen by their peers.

Not according to Judge Silver..... but, you keep on believing that....

 

[Pi brat]

Pi his eyes must be brown ..as in full of chit

Pretty much.

 

[Beancounter]

 
US Airways pilot are represented by USAPA. That includes PHL, CLT, DCA and PHX. Why would PHX get their own MC? Perhaps CLT and PHL should too. And they are the only ones flying widebodies... Sorry DCA... lol. See how ridiculous that sounds?

:huh: Ummmmmm, PHX is the pilot group that was never integrated, the one that came from a different airline, big difference.  Am I going to have to explain now how it doesn't matter that the Nic is dead? It only matters that it existed.
 
Bean

 

[Claxon]

You idiot. Just quoting from Court pleadings means nothing
Should we wait until the court either finds merit or doesn't
Your stupidity is alarming!
Nicdoa
Npjb

The court orders mean nothing to the west pilots.  The west, company and apa legal briefs have been much more comforting to the west pilots for the last seven plus years.
 
Suggested reading for the west pilots;
 
DFR 1 9th circuit court order
 
En Banc 9th Circuit court 
 
Declaratory Judgment order
 
DFR 2 court order.
 
History of the USAirways pilot permanent bids since the merger.
 
The previous promises from the army of lyingitas.

 

[algflyr]

 
 
History of the USAirways pilot permanent bids since the merger.
 
 

 
I think we may see yet another one by the end of the week! 🙂

 

[Claxon]

"THIS AGREEMENT is made and entered into in accordance with the provisions of
the Railway Labor Act, as amended, by and between AMERICAN AIRLINES, INC.
(“American” or the “Company”) and the AIR LINE PILOTS in the service of
AMERICAN AIRLINES, INC., as represented by the ALLIED PILOTS ASSOCIATION
(“APA” or the “Association”).
 
WHEREAS, the Company has acquired certain assets of Trans World Airlines, Inc.
(“TWA”), which have been placed in an entity known as TWA Airlines LLC (“TWA
LLC”), and TWA LLC has employed the pilot employees of TWA, with the intention
that the TWA Pilots will be consolidated with American’s pilots as employees of a
single carrier; and......................."
 
"II. Construction of Modified System Seniority List
The modified System Seniority List will be constructed by integrating the April 10,
2001 AA Pilot Seniority List (i.e., adjusted for hiring and attrition through April 10,
2001) and the TWA Pilot Seniority List as of April 10, 2001 (i.e., adjusted for hiring
and attrition through April 10, 2001) in the following manner.
A. TWA Pilots J.G. Upp, DOH 12/2/63 through Raymond Camus, DOH 3/20/89 will
be inserted in the AA Pilot Seniority List on a ratio of approximately one TWA Pilot
to 8.1762556 AA Pilots, commencing immediately following AA Pilot W.H. Elder,
DOH 10/8/85 and ending immediately following AA Pilot B.D. White, DOH 4/9/01.
B. The remaining TWA Pilots commencing with TWA Pilot Theron Clark, DOH
3/23/89, will be placed in seniority order immediately following TWA Pilot
Raymond Camus, DOH 3/20/89."
 
http://bankrupt.com/misc/AmAir_SuppCCProposals.pdf

 

[algflyr]

:huh: Ummmmmm, PHX is the pilot group that was never integrated, the one that came from a different airline, big difference.  Am I going to have to explain now how it doesn't matter that the Nic is dead? It only matters that it existed.
 
Bean

 
Why do you think PHX is a pilot group that was never integrated? It's because the things that HAD to happen for the Nic list to become real, never did. And now because of the merger with AA, they can never happen... So yes, the Nic did exist, with VERY specific things that needed to occur to make it official. Those things didn't happen, and now they CAN'T... 
 
Let's move on...

 

[algflyr]

"THIS AGREEMENT is made and entered into in accordance with the provisions of
the Railway Labor Act, as amended, by and between AMERICAN AIRLINES, INC.
(“American” or the “Company”) and the AIR LINE PILOTS in the service of
AMERICAN AIRLINES, INC., as represented by the ALLIED PILOTS ASSOCIATION
(“APA” or the “Association”).
 
WHEREAS, the Company has acquired certain assets of Trans World Airlines, Inc.
(“TWA”), which have been placed in an entity known as TWA Airlines LLC (“TWA
LLC”), and TWA LLC has employed the pilot employees of TWA, with the intention
that the TWA Pilots will be consolidated with American’s pilots as employees of a
single carrier; and......................."
 
"II. Construction of Modified System Seniority List
The modified System Seniority List will be constructed by integrating the April 10,
2001 AA Pilot Seniority List (i.e., adjusted for hiring and attrition through April 10,
2001) and the TWA Pilot Seniority List as of April 10, 2001 (i.e., adjusted for hiring
and attrition through April 10, 2001) in the following manner.
A. TWA Pilots J.G. Upp, DOH 12/2/63 through Raymond Camus, DOH 3/20/89 will
be inserted in the AA Pilot Seniority List on a ratio of approximately one TWA Pilot
to 8.1762556 AA Pilots, commencing immediately following AA Pilot W.H. Elder,
DOH 10/8/85 and ending immediately following AA Pilot B.D. White, DOH 4/9/01.
B. The remaining TWA Pilots commencing with TWA Pilot Theron Clark, DOH
3/23/89, will be placed in seniority order immediately following TWA Pilot
Raymond Camus, DOH 3/20/89."
 
http://bankrupt.com/misc/AmAir_SuppCCProposals.pdf

 
That's legalese for "Staple Job"!! And thus M-B was born... 🙂

 

[Claxon]

The hyperbole's guide to the american, USAirways East and west pilots seniority list integration according to the america west pilots
 
""eric ferguson and mitch vasin 2003 hires, will be put above 1986 East pilots, 1995 american pilots and 1963 former TWA pilots because of their successful history of suing another pilot group and the possible future threat.""