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luvthe9 said:
Wow! Words almost fail me here. "The incomplete contractual language" but yet: "the APA board....“We are pleased our pilots will have a chance to vote on a contract.."...? Huh? Why be so "pleased" at this pathetic insanity? Just exactly WTF supposed kind of "contract" is that? How's it even possible to call some vague BS with "incomplete contractual language" a viable contract of ANY kind?...Why put out a basically blank "bar napkin" for management to just fill out later with whatever they please for a vote?
I'd initially thought much better of the APA.
luvthe9 said:
"Sign first and ask questions later!" Indeed. Perhaps being momentarily a bit willfully naive as it now seems; I must admit that I initially did think much better of the APA and am honestly surprised by this. I mean seriously; who would ever even lease a car without first examining the contract in detail, and instead just sign a blank sheet and fully trust the dealership?...Especially when considering this particular "dealership's" track record?
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DFW UPDATE
3 January 2015
The APA Board of Directors has spent the last two days working on bringing this JCBA process to a conclusion. Given management’s demand that APA “accept” their proposal by 3 January, we fully expected that management would have the contract language intended to implement their demands ready for us to review and send to the membership. APA’s negotiating team has worked long hours through the Christmas/New Year holiday and we had a substantial portion of the contract language available to us.
However, the language that would implement the company’s demand that we allow them to combine International and Domestic divisions has not yet been finalized. Combining divisions is a complex and far reaching change that must be done properly to protect seniority rights and to ensure that pilots will have full access to the potential benefits of combined divisions. There is no way the membership can make a judgment on the impact of management’s plan to merge divisions without knowing the details of the language intended to govern that process. Management’s failure to have language ready to implement their own demand has made meeting their unilaterally imposed deadlines impossible to meet.
Following a long and complex process spread over two days, the APA Board approved a resolution accepting management’s proposal-in-principle, and agreeing to act to electronically ballot the membership. However, that process cannot begin until agreement is reached on the currently unfinished contract language. The Board committed itself to being bound by the vote of the membership when it occurs.
We understand that you have a LOT of questions and the story of the last two days is a tale worth hearing. We knew there was a possibility of an active voting process beginning this week, so we had pre-reserved the Grapevine Conventions Center for Monday (5 January) beginning at 1100.
Even though we do not yet have an active voting process, we feel it is still important to provide a forum to explain what took place over the last 2 days, to provide you as much detail as is available on the proposal, and to give you as much information as we have regarding the process going forward.
We understand this is short notice, but given how important this process is to all of you, we did not want to delay providing information first hand. Please join us at 1100 on Monday.
Captain Tom Westbrook First Officer Josey Wales
DFW Domicile Chairman DFW Vice Chairman
972-672-2676972-672-2676 Cell (972) 589-1812(972) 589-1812
dfw-chair@alliedpilots.org jwales@alliedpilots.org
3 January 2015
The APA Board of Directors has spent the last two days working on bringing this JCBA process to a conclusion. Given management’s demand that APA “accept” their proposal by 3 January, we fully expected that management would have the contract language intended to implement their demands ready for us to review and send to the membership. APA’s negotiating team has worked long hours through the Christmas/New Year holiday and we had a substantial portion of the contract language available to us.
However, the language that would implement the company’s demand that we allow them to combine International and Domestic divisions has not yet been finalized. Combining divisions is a complex and far reaching change that must be done properly to protect seniority rights and to ensure that pilots will have full access to the potential benefits of combined divisions. There is no way the membership can make a judgment on the impact of management’s plan to merge divisions without knowing the details of the language intended to govern that process. Management’s failure to have language ready to implement their own demand has made meeting their unilaterally imposed deadlines impossible to meet.
Following a long and complex process spread over two days, the APA Board approved a resolution accepting management’s proposal-in-principle, and agreeing to act to electronically ballot the membership. However, that process cannot begin until agreement is reached on the currently unfinished contract language. The Board committed itself to being bound by the vote of the membership when it occurs.
We understand that you have a LOT of questions and the story of the last two days is a tale worth hearing. We knew there was a possibility of an active voting process beginning this week, so we had pre-reserved the Grapevine Conventions Center for Monday (5 January) beginning at 1100.
Even though we do not yet have an active voting process, we feel it is still important to provide a forum to explain what took place over the last 2 days, to provide you as much detail as is available on the proposal, and to give you as much information as we have regarding the process going forward.
We understand this is short notice, but given how important this process is to all of you, we did not want to delay providing information first hand. Please join us at 1100 on Monday.
Captain Tom Westbrook First Officer Josey Wales
DFW Domicile Chairman DFW Vice Chairman
972-672-2676972-672-2676 Cell (972) 589-1812(972) 589-1812
dfw-chair@alliedpilots.org jwales@alliedpilots.org
luvthe9 said:
Well, admitted kudos to Glass et al. All they had to do was put out a completely contrived deadline to send everyone scurrying. "Don't worry about all those blank areas on the napkin kids. You won't have time to fret over them anyway, so just trust us!"
Does ANYONE really think it's an "accident" that management, as if by magic or the dog ate their homework, doesn't have a fully detailed and concise contract to offer?
luvthe9 said:
"Old tricks are the best tricks!" So it sadly seems, while another classic observation now applies as well: "Those who fail to learn the lessons of history..."
This BS's so old hat. Anyone with even the most basic education in business, psychology and negotiating could immediately see tried-and-true game moves here. Establish artificial stress through a contrived timeline and/or other devices. Sow uncertainty and disunity within the targeted group and undermine their governing agency and overall morale through direct propaganda to the group. See listings under crew news, etc. Perfect any deficiencies in one's "shell game" skills, so that those targeted are left mesmerized and willfully committed to play the game, while you take away whatever you want from them. See listings under: "Gosh! We really, really meant to have a detailed contract ready for your review, Honest, we did but, well, aw heck, just trust us!"
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Uh, ok.. But did you see the piles of money they are surely going to share with us?EastUS1 said:
Parker always says "It's the right thing to do." It's finally here!!!! Parker is going to do the right thing but not until we sign over a blank check!! Don't miss out on letting Parker do the right thing!!
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