2014 Maintenance & Related & AMFA Cards

[700UW]

Explain the PFAA dues situation then. I worked the raid, have the pension letter and met with them when they visited last summer.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Explain the PFAA dues situation then. I worked the raid, have the pension letter and met with them when they visited last summer.

 
You'll have to be a bit more specific
 
PFAA?  As in NWA refusing to auto dues deduction after their win due to language specifying the ibt? Is that what you're referring to?
 
As far as the raid, so what?
 
I have never said the IAMNPP had to accept monies for mechanics if the IAM was decertified. Anything other than that is immaterial as they have no say on what happens to said monies they refuse to accept.

 

[TRAVIS]

 
You'll have to be a bit more specific
 
PFAA?  As in NWA refusing to auto dues deduction after their win due to language specifying the ibt? Is that what you're referring to?
 
As far as the raid, so what?
 
I have never said the IAMNPP had to accept monies for mechanics if the IAM was decertified. Anything other than that is immaterial as they have no say on what happens to said monies they refuse to accept.

He is not going to answer you or me . I think someone told him not to piss off any one. Not like him not to go tooth and nail to cover up the short comings of the IAM???

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Read the US Fleet Agreement, it contains specific language on what happens, M&R dont have that, so US will not pay the IAMNPF and not give it to the mechanics.
 
Just like when the PFAA won over the IBT the CBA said dues were for the IBT not PFAA, and the PFAA took on NW and lost.
 
Its all about language.

 
700UW
 
That is the Point we don't want to have to read what Fleet got and how its better than ours.
 
We just want to have our own agreement,  Why can't you understand that.
 
Why would any union give to one group and exclude another? With AMFA our group gets what is negotiated for us and that is what we are LQQKING for.
 
You said it Your self the IAM bargains for the fleet and doesn't insure that MX gets at least the same protection. That is BS and the reason why MX wants the TWU & IAM Gone.

 

[700UW]

Fleet has its own agreement as does Maintenance, same at AA, different class and craft, come on, is that all you got?
 
I was explaining the difference in what will happen if a group leaves the IAM and what would happen with the IAMNPF.
 
Why are you trying to censor a debate and facts?
 
And at US there was only mechanics on the NC.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.

 

[737823]

Fleet has its own agreement as does Maintenance, same at AA, different class and craft, come on, is that all you got?
 
I was explaining the difference in what will happen if a group leaves the IAM and what would happen with the IAMNPF.
 
Why are you trying to censor a debate and facts?
 
And at US there was only mechanics on the NC.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.

Not true you were a stock clerk and on the NC.

Josh

 

[700UW]

Not true you were a stock clerk and on the NC.

Josh

This is a mechanics thread, you said you wouldnt post.
 
And I was on the NC in 2004/2005, and I am talking about the last CBA that was just negotiated and ratified.
 
And I was Line Utility when I was on the NC, but I was representing both Stores and Utility.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Fleet has its own agreement as does Maintenance, same at AA, different class and craft, come on, is that all you got?
 
I was explaining the difference in what will happen if a group leaves the IAM and what would happen with the IAMNPF.
 
Why are you trying to censor a debate and facts?
 
And at US there was only mechanics on the NC.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.

 
700UW
 
Are you telling every one here that only mechanics and NO ONE from the District Lodge there? No Gen Chair person or simular from the Lodge?
 
Mechanics may have sent a committee to participate but with the company H/R and Legal and economist the District has all the information and that info is kept so that Mechanics don't bring it to the floor.
 
No observers and The upper Officers from the IAM and at the TWU at AA are the ones who make the decisions on How the negotiations are going to go. If it was left up to the mechanics Money and vacation, holiday pay rates and such would get discussed first not last. retro would be involved not how many union bulletin boards hang in the hanger.
 
The mechanics would of made sure they got the same protection as the Ramp, but the District did not insure that now did they. Was that just an oversight or was it done to keep the mechanics in check. The IAM is paid to protect the members just as is the TWU neither of these has protected what we the membership has had in the past.
 
It's time for them to be Voted out and replaced.
 
Since you know so much who was at the last negotiations?
 
Just Positions we don't need names.

 

[700UW]

The GCs from District 142 on the last NC were/are mechanics. The GLR from the International was a US mechanic also.
 
If you used your brain and read any of the updates from the 142 US M&R Negotiations it tells you who was on the committee, they are all US mechanics.
 
The information is right out there and in front of you, and you only make yourself look foolish and ignorant.
 
The International provides actuaries when and if needed, but the GLR has an accounting background and he has been on Negotiations for US numerous times, and is also a pension expert and has the ability to cost out everything.

Dont let the facts get in your way.

 

[swamt]

Are there any updates on how the card collections are going at both US as well as at AA?  As we all still await the NMB's final ruling and what occurs next,  just wondering how the card drives are going at both carriers.    

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Are there any updates on how the card collections are going at both US as well as at AA?  As we all still await the NMB's final ruling and what occurs next,  just wondering how the card drives are going at both carriers.    

 
SWAMT
 
We are still short of the required cards and from what I hear the US stations CLT & PHX are doing well and it is building momentum at the line stations. 
 
At AA it is still slow at Tulsa and there is the Local from Tulsa (TWU) pushing the Association.
 
At AA the line is doing well and cards are coming in every day. We will see just where we are with in the next few weeks because that is about the time when the NMB may rule.

 

[swamt]

 
SWAMT
 
We are still short of the required cards and from what I hear the US stations CLT & PHX are doing well and it is building momentum at the line stations. 
 
At AA it is still slow at Tulsa and there is the Local from Tulsa (TWU) pushing the Association.
 
At AA the line is doing well and cards are coming in every day. We will see just where we are with in the next few weeks because that is about the time when the NMB may rule.

Thx for the update.  I have sat idle for some time now.  I still see antics are continuing from the same individuals.   I still believe there should be a time frame givin by the NMB for "others" showing an interest, and I am assuming that it will be aprox 1 month.  I have read where the unions are putting out flyers and posters, can anyone post one of them?    Only reason I ask is because they will start the anti-AMFA campaign once the ticker starts and gets closer.  The lies will also start to get more rampant.  If any of your members have any questions on how AMFA operates and or nego please tell them to ask.  Myself and others would be a third party and can explain the real in and outs about AMFA since we have had them for over 10 years now.   Just FYI, we have had 4 times total of someone trying to replace AMFA, twice by the teamsters, once by the TWU, and even heard of once by the IAM.  None of them had any steam what-so-ever and died very shortly.  The largest majority (including the AT guys) are very happy and well informed than they have ever been in the past.   Good luck to you guys and don't hesitate to ask anything.   I will still continue to correct the lies and misinformation that anyone trys to spread about AMFA or SWA.  I do expect this campaign to try and keep AMFA out will be the biggest, as well as being done, once again, by two unions and maybe even the company, but no worries mate, there are plenty out here now that have been educated about how AMFA really operates and what has really happened in the past.  
  I have also read your post about the pension and what will happen to it.  I agree with you that the pension will slow down if US fires the IAM, it will not go away, disappear, or get taken away.  If it's in the contract the contract will remain enforced by the new representational union that replaces the IAM.  The company will still be obligated to fund the pension, if the administrator of the pension fund refuses to continue funding the pension fund just because these guys change unions, then there are steps the entire membership can take as well as AMFA if voted in to sue and take to court to get the pensions funded as agreed to under the contractual agreement.   I would actually recommend a 401K with a good match as then the members have all control of their money, instead of some other company.  Sorry for rambling, and get those cards collected,  rather AMFA gets in or not, I really want it to be the members choice on who will represent all you guys under one carrier, hopefully it will be AMFA...

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Each Day we get closer to the decision of the NMB​

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If you want the choice of who is on the Ballot​

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Then It's time for you to decide.​

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Has the IAM done a Good enough job for you?​

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LQQKing at what has been said about the TWU do you want to be represented by them?​

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or​

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Are you willing to say I have had enough of the industrial Unions and the way they do things?​

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If so then it's Time for you to SIGN an AMFA Card and help the rest of your fellow mechanics​

Bring a Vote here to the New AA/US ​

 

[NYer]

Why is it do you think that so many NON-AMT's care so much about what union the AMT's are in.
It's not like we are wanting to go non-union, Just in a different UNION, IT's still a UNION.
It comes down to this the Union works for me not the other way and if I feel the union is not doing all it can in MY best interest then it's time to find a Union that want's too. 
If the ramp is happy with the IAM/TWU fine let them go for it, I wish them all the best, But as a AMT and just out of a contract I have to look at what we AMT's were given to vote on and I know that it was voted in by the members of a beat in the ground bunch of old guys here at US.
Some of us are ready for a change and tired of being the lowest payed AMT's of the Major Airlines and with the Company making record profits and OUR UNION put's that sub-standard contract on the table for the members to vote on, What's up with this, They should have been using this contract to set the BAR up or were we sold out again.(we will get them next time BS.)

over fist! What would they have put in front of us if the company was not doing so good???.   
 
Time for a change put in a AMFA card!!!

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You just brought out the problem and the reason that you'll never be satisfied regardless of the initials of the union representing you.

Unionism is about doing what's best for US, not what's best for "ME."
 

 

[NYer]

SWAMT
 
We are still short of the required cards and from what I hear the US stations CLT & PHX are doing well and it is building momentum at the line stations. 
 
At AA it is still slow at Tulsa and there is the Local from Tulsa (TWU) pushing the Association.
 
At AA the line is doing well and cards are coming in every day. We will see just where we are with in the next few weeks because that is about the time when the NMB may rule.

10 years and you still can't get enough cards. Great movement! SMH.