2014 Maintenance & Related & AMFA Cards

[TRAVIS]

Yea their scared.  They are looking very desperate too.  Still using the ole NWA cards I see.  AMFA didn't kill NWA and everyone knows this, EVERYONE, the management at NWA is what killed the company, not some little ole union with no power and know money.  They also make a point that they will make top priority of the pension being moved over to the AA guys.  Well, guess what that actually means folks?  Nothing, NOTHING at all.  They still will have to convince AA to participate and allow the others to join, which does not mean it will happen, they are only saying they are making it a priority.
 
Travis, I do believe the US guys are gonna need to pick up the pace on the card collection, otherwise you guys are stuck with the Alliance, but I still think maybe not.  The Alliance is a new representational union trying to make entry into the new AA, and like any new union entry they should have to show 50% + 1 of interest.  If not, then I would have to say that there would be a run-off election between the TWU and the IAM at which time the members would have the option to write in AMFA or any union they choose to.  This is exactly what the TWU/IAM is trying to avoid, any election where the option to write in AMFA is available, or trying to keep AMFA completely off the ballot as they have done in the past.  I have heard many different outcomes though.  Hopefully no matter what the AMFA organizers will be prepared which ever way the NMB decides to rule.  As we all patiently await the NMB's decision, the propaganda will increase against AMFA as we get closer and closer to decision day.  But, the organizers and people like you Travis need to be ready to argue anything they put out in writing just like these recent flyers from the IAM, if nobody steps of to do so you will not be successful in getting enough cards collected to get on the ballot, this I promise you, as most the membership is lazy and will not defend, they will just believe all the BS coming out of the TWU/IAM side.  Get involved people, give some effort, take control and get unified, otherwise sit back watch what all happens and you guys will get what you guys deserve, just like the UAL guys did...

AMFA needs to have more info meetings at the larger hubs PHX,PIT,CLT,PHL it's the only way to get it done. 

 

[swamt]

AMFA needs to have more info meetings at the larger hubs PHX,PIT,CLT,PHL it's the only way to get it done. 

I don't know what to tell you about this except you should contact AMFA National.  Louie Key would be a start.   I also think the organizers are the ones that put on the informational meetings and I agree, it is time to put these on for the US guys.  They are helpful.
BTW;  How long ago was that filing to the NMB for single carrier status?  How many weeks or months?

 

[TRAVIS]

All i found was the AMFA one year band case and I think that time limit is up.
 
( IBT filed a letter indicating that it was withdrawing its application. On August 19, 2013, the Board dismissed 
the application and closed the case subject to the one-year application bar 
under 1206.4( B) of the NMB Rules.)
 
The new NMB web sight is new to me. I will look for the SCS some more. Does anyone know the case number???

 

[TRAVIS]

I don't know what to tell you about this except you should contact AMFA National.  Louie Key would be a start.   I also think the organizers are the ones that put on the informational meetings and I agree, it is time to put these on for the US guys.  They are helpful.
BTW;  How long ago was that filing to the NMB for single carrier status?  How many weeks or months?

  http://www.nmb.gov/archive/activ-rpts/weekly-activity-report-august-4-august-8-2014/
 
 
 
CR-7131 FILED  AUG-4 /  AUG-8 2014
12 PAGES LONG TAKE YOUR TIME READING IT. 
YOU CAN TELL A LAWYER WROTE THIS LOL.
 
THE LAST PAGE. IT TAKES A LOT OF LOOKING TO FIND.
 

CONCLUSIONS
Based on the whole record in Case R-1447, including tile investigation
conducted by its mediator, and information developed in the
hearings before it, the National Mediation Board finds that maintenance
of equipment employees of the American Airlines, Inc., including
the following classifications:
Airline mechanics (including radio mechanics),
Ground service personnel,
Plant maintenance personnel, and
Fleet service .personnel :
should be voted together on one ballot for the pro.poses of representation
under ~ection 2, Ninth, of the Railway Labor Act, amended. '
The Board further finds that the employees of the American Airlines,
Inc., designated, as stores, personnel,, includ;ng, stock clerks .and
toolroom attendants, should hkewlse be voted together on another
ballot for representation purposes under the Act.
Since the date investigation of this case was recessed, the Board is
informed that the Air Line Mechanics Association, International, has
become affiliated with the United Automobile Workers, CIO. The
other parties to this dispute, namely the Transport Workers Union
of America, CIO, and the International Association of Machinists,
AFL, will be permitted t0 present to the mediator all available evidence
of their interest in this ease, for the Board's final determination
of the names of the contesting parties to appear on the ballots.
A mediator will be assigned to conclude thi.s ease at tt~e earliest
possible date, and all concerned will be informed accordingly.

 

 

[TRAVIS]

This is no more than the UNION controlling the AMT's by putting non-licence workers in our work group. 
So as a AMT this will just help keep our wages in the dirt and keep us down.
 
SO SHOW SO PRIDE IN YOUR FAA A&P LICENCE AND VOTE NO AND VOTE IN AMFA ANY WAY YOU CAN BY A CARD OR WRITE- IN ON THE BALLOT IF WE GET A CHANCE TOO.  

 

[700UW]

Guess you aren't smart enough to know that amfa represents non-licensed people in the class and craft, unions don't determine class and craft, that would be the NMB, so why does amfa represent aircraft cleaners who aren't a licensed a and p?

 

[TRAVIS]

Well lets see if you are smart enough to understand and comprehend the first sentence! The IAM doesn't understand any of it as this contract shows.
 
#1 The Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association is a craft specific, independent aviation union. It is not an industrial union and represents only aircraft maintenance technicians and related employees in the craft or class in accordance with the National Mediation Board Rules and their dictates. AMFA is committed to elevating the professional standing of technicians and to achieving progressive improvements in the wages, benefits, and working conditions of the skilled craftsmen and women it represents.
The IAM and TWU have put us in the back row long enough!
And you can take your pension and pack it! I'm tired of being held hostage to POOR representation by this BS pension.
 
GET YOUR AMFA CARDS IN OR WRITE IN AMFA AT THE VOTE AND NO FOR THE IAM/TWU ASSOCIATION.

 

[TRAVIS]

SO SHOW SOME PRIDE IN YOUR FAA A&P LICENCE..........LOL time for a new keyboard 

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Again as we draw closer to the decision of the NMB from what I have heard from guys at USAir is that the IAM is again threatening you with the loss of your Pension.
 
They May say that they will take it away but have any of you had them show you that it can be done in writing by an official document? Not a flyer.
 
The IAM has said that no matter what happens they (AA) will honor our CBA until a joint contract is negotiated. If that is a fact then how can they now say they will not accept any company contributions into the IAMNPF if you leave? Wouldn't that hurt the fund totals and the IAM represented employees throughout the IAM system since not too many companies are signing up with the IAM.
 
Do you think they will cut off their nose to spite their faces?
 
If the pension is what you are worried about before you think about signing an AMFA card, then why aren't you worried about all the restrictions that the IAM has on that plan? Why aren't you worried that if they can threaten you with stoppage of your pension at this time, why would it be safe in the future? The IAMNPF has recalculated the pay out to a plan "B" . What is to say they won't reduce it again?
 
The Pension is yours even if your company goes away. If this isn't true don't you all have a pension from the company that was stopped when US filed BK twice?
 
If the NMB rules against this Association there is also a possibility that the TWU would be the Union of representation and the IAM would have to bow out. What is going to happen to your pension then? It's still YOURS.
 
I hear not may of you want the TWU since you have heard how bad we at AA think they are. Since there is an AMFA drive here at AA and at US why don't you get involved do your own research. Don't let the IAM scare you into staying with them. This association is all about dues to the IAM/TWU.
 
AMFA represents aircraft mechanics, auto mechanics, Facilities, Utility, and aircraft cleaners, Both line and Overhaul. For those of you that think we the aircraft guys will bump you out of your positions that is something we don't have at AA and won't since we have separate lists for title groups. That would take a contract change and you would have a say with that. The one seniority list is a IBT/IAM thing. Not an AMFA thing, they kept the one list at NWA and swa as well so we all vote the way we want it come contract time. AMFA does not dictate we the membership control the union. Unlike the TWU/IBT/IAM. The leaders of AMFA are on the floor with you, and NOT behind some big desk in a Fancy office out of touch from the members.
 
 
Sign a card and lets stop this association before it destroys our class and craft.
 
Lets make a change that will make a difference, AMFA at the New AA 2014.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Remember How long you were in contract negotiations?​

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Now both contracts will become amendable approx the same time if we are infighting over how we integrate the seniority and what stations will remain open, which parts of which contract we will keep and who is going to run the union as we all go forward.​

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Won't we all suffer?​

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AA will enjoy yrs of pay freezes, and we won't  bring prosperity to our families.​

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Our Industry goes through cycles of ups/downs, we all have seen that. Now that the industry is on an upswing shouldn't we benefit from that and all work together to better our class and craft?​

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Just LQQK at what is happening over at United with the two companies and the same union, the IBT. You know all well what happened with your pilots and the AW guys.​

Easties/Westies until the AA pilots got into the mix it was crazy am I right?​

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Do you want that to happen with us?​

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If not then lets sign an AMFA Card stop this association and remove the IAM/TWU from AA as the representatives of OUR Class and craft.​

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AMFA at AA 2014​

 

[700UW]

Like I said, send me your e-mail and I will send you the pension letter. But I asked you over a month ago and still nothing from you.

 

[Vortilon]

Who; in their right mind, would trust an under funded, under insured, IAM managed pension plan anyway?  What could go wrong?
TWU Local 591 reps are stating that not only is the IAM attempting to convince the NMB to allow the JCBA without a membership vote, but the big wigs from the AFL-CIO are pushing the NMB as well.  This would allow the cash infusion to the IAM failing pension fund from the frozen AA pension fund. 
 
Look the Flight Attendants supposedly just TA'd an industry leading contract.  Why should we settle for whatever the IAM or TWU negotiates?  From the AA side, we need to make sure there is no way anybody touches our frozen pension fund!  Especially a broke dick commie union run plan!

 

[blue collar]

Who; in their right mind, would trust an under funded, under insured, IAM managed pension plan anyway?  What could go wrong?
TWU Local 591 reps are stating that not only is the IAM attempting to convince the NMB to allow the JCBA without a membership vote, but the big wigs from the AFL-CIO are pushing the NMB as well.  This would allow the cash infusion to the IAM failing pension fund from the frozen AA pension fund. 
 
Look the Flight Attendants supposedly just TA'd an industry leading contract.  Why should we settle for whatever the IAM or TWU negotiates?  From the AA side, we need to make sure there is no way anybody touches our frozen pension fund!  Especially a broke dick commie union run plan!

I'm all for you guys voting in your own Union of choice, but all of the lies have got to stop somewhere. The IAM can't take away the US mechanics pension, just stop their future contributions; and the IAMNPF won't be taking your (AA) frozen pensions either. You guys keep that. I know they'll try to negotiate you into the IAMNPF so they can get contributions on your behalf, and I wouldn't blame you for not wanting that. It's not that great of a deal. I'd keep the 401k match if I were you.

 

[TRAVIS]

All US AIRWAYS AMT's need to read this and read all the doc's on the TWU 591.
Put your AMFA card in now or join the TWA boys.
 
http://www.local591.com/?zone=/unionactive/private_view_page.cfm&page=22TWU202F20IAM20Association20Info22
 

 

[WNMECH]

Like I said, send me your e-mail and I will send you the pension letter. But I asked you over a month ago and still nothing from you.

It's been over a month and you still haven't posted a link to this letter?
Still nothing from you.