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2014 Maintenance & Related & AMFA Cards
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Tim NelsonTim Nelson said:
Not knowing the IAM contract at USAir as regards to the Pension payments but if it's in the CBA, that US will contribute to it then any change in Union at US will not constitute any stoppage of payments until a new CBA is negotiated. Everything remains status quo.
From my understanding the CAL guys are still getting pension payments and will from UAL until they get a JCBA and merge the two work forces.
If AMFA is that union it will be AMFA's job to insure that the current negotiated contracts at both AA and US will be honored.
So how can you or 700UW say the pension will not be funded for yrs?
Sounds like just a scare tactic to me.
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It is a scare tactic. But the IAMNPF has already stated that it won't accept money on behalf of the members if the IAM is voted out. That doesn't stop whomever the new representative is from getting a LOA with the company as to what will happen with the money. The IAM doesn't want you to think about that though, they want you to think it will be lost and no chance at getting it (without them).AMFAinMIAMI said:
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blue collar said:
If this is true, then why would any USAirways mechanics want to stay in a program with a Union that is willing to to Stop/Block payments into it's pension fund to benefit all it's members.
The Union should not have control of your pension to a point that it will cut off its nose to spite its face.
I would think that the IAM Pension people would have a lot to explain if they did do what you are saying.
Sign your AMFA Card Today and lets stop the bs of the TWU/IAM once and for all.
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You truly dont get it, dont practice contract law.AMFAinMIAMI said:
Steve Sleigh the IAMNPF has stated clearly that if you are no longer an IAM member you dont get any further accruals nor contributions, its legal. PM me an e-mail address and I will send you the letter.
The IAMNPF will not accept any contributions from US on behalf of the M&R if they leave the IAM.
You are spreading misinformation.
The ramp has clear language what happens if that occurs, mechanic and related dont.
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This IAMPF has hung over our heads long enough! It needs to go along with this BS union. They have used it as a gun to our head long enough and it is being used to protect a union that has FLAT FAILED ITS MEMBERS AND AS LONG AS WE STAY IAM WE WILL BE THE LOWEST PAID AMT"S AND THAT PAY CURVE IS GETTING WIDER EACH YEAR.
I have supported change at US for years, I have see this PF used to keep the IAM in power and the union members don't understand that the IAM has dressed up this PF by CUTTING FUTURES form the Members to show a 106% green PF that is nothing more that SMOKE AND MIRRORS.
I REFUSE! to be held HOSTAGE any longer to this BS IAMPF and POOR REPRESENTATION....... SO PULL THE DAMMED TRIGGER !!!!!!!!!!
PUT IN A AMFA CARD!
I have supported change at US for years, I have see this PF used to keep the IAM in power and the union members don't understand that the IAM has dressed up this PF by CUTTING FUTURES form the Members to show a 106% green PF that is nothing more that SMOKE AND MIRRORS.
I REFUSE! to be held HOSTAGE any longer to this BS IAMPF and POOR REPRESENTATION....... SO PULL THE DAMMED TRIGGER !!!!!!!!!!
PUT IN A AMFA CARD!
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I am not spreading mis information.
You'are the one who has always said its in the CBA and until a new JCBA is negotiated
USAirways/AA will have to abide by the contract. You have said that right?????
Now your telling us that even though its in the contract The Iam will not take any money to provide for the mechanics if they leave the IAM.
Sounds like a Union I would be glad to shed if that is true.
Why would the IAM give some thing to the ramp and not Maintenance?
That in itself is just the reason why Maintenance should dump that POS union and switch. Leave it to the ramp/Fleet. That just shows the mechanics the IAM does not care about them, Doesn't it?
Time to sign your AMFA cards and show the IAM the Door.
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If the mechanics at sUS become AMFA in a representational election their current CBA remains in force until amended.
Any requirement on the company to send funds to the IAMNPP on behalf of mechanics under the CBA remains if force.
Here is what alot of people try to talk around or fail to address - Yes, the IAMNPP does not have to accept the money sent if the mechanics are no longer represented by the IAM, but by contract the company must still send it, even if the IAMNPP simply sends it back - this is the situation that a new bargaining agent will have to negotiate with the company, just what they are to do with those funds previously set aside for a pension must now be reallocated - the company does not simply get to keep the money, as it was taken via pension contributions in negotiations in lieu of wages. .
While the company more than likely will hold that money while an agreement is reached on a new retirement venue for the funds, the mechanics won't lose that money
Any requirement on the company to send funds to the IAMNPP on behalf of mechanics under the CBA remains if force.
Here is what alot of people try to talk around or fail to address - Yes, the IAMNPP does not have to accept the money sent if the mechanics are no longer represented by the IAM, but by contract the company must still send it, even if the IAMNPP simply sends it back - this is the situation that a new bargaining agent will have to negotiate with the company, just what they are to do with those funds previously set aside for a pension must now be reallocated - the company does not simply get to keep the money, as it was taken via pension contributions in negotiations in lieu of wages. .
While the company more than likely will hold that money while an agreement is reached on a new retirement venue for the funds, the mechanics won't lose that money
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What You Don't Get is we wan't a union that works for Our Best Interest and that is not the case here, As it shows in this BS contract and then to have balls to use this BS PF like a gun to our heads. The IAM needs to be shown the door along with this BS PF they use for a safety blanket.700UW said:
I think you just don't get it!
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What exactly?700UW said:
For sake of discussion...
AMFA wins and now represents mechanics at US/new AA
As you state the IAMNPP no longer accepts the funds sent by management for mechanics now represented by AMFA
Question: What do you say happens to the monies involved?
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Tell me the truth 700, Do YOU think they did a good job for the MX group with this contract? (If you were one of us?)
NOW look who has a gun to their head LOL!!
NOW look who has a gun to their head LOL!!
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Read the US Fleet Agreement, it contains specific language on what happens, M&R dont have that, so US will not pay the IAMNPF and not give it to the mechanics.
Just like when the PFAA won over the IBT the CBA said dues were for the IBT not PFAA, and the PFAA took on NW and lost.
Its all about language.
Just like when the PFAA won over the IBT the CBA said dues were for the IBT not PFAA, and the PFAA took on NW and lost.
Its all about language.
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700UW said:
Thats where you're wrong.
It is about language - There are clearly defined contribution levels that were negotiated in lieu of wages. Mechanics don't fall under the US Fleet Agreement, and nothing in the mechanics agreement allows the company to keep the money.
While I disagree with you on a great many things, after years of reading your posts I know you understand basic contract law. The contract is silent and that isn't a default to the company keeping the money, and you know it.
