2014 Maintenance & Related & AMFA Cards

[2ndGENAMT]

10 years and you still can't get enough cards. Great movement! SMH.

It's been longer than 10 years! And it is an uphill battle in Tulsa where the Local uses Fear, Intimidation, Lies and Promises to keep the members under the boot of the sellout international dues collector!!!
It's no different with the current situation as the local leadership and their cronies are spreading the word that the association is the way to get all the superior IAM benefits and more with a speedy JCBA. Laughable!!

 

[blue collar]

It's not just 514 leadership that's spreading the speedy JCBA lie. They're ALL spreading that one.

 

[NYer]

It's been longer than 10 years! And it is an uphill battle in Tulsa where the Local uses Fear, Intimidation, Lies and Promises to keep the members under the boot of the sellout international dues collector!!!
It's no different with the current situation as the local leadership and their cronies are spreading the word that the association is the way to get all the superior IAM benefits and more with a speedy JCBA. Laughable!!

So the incredible advantages of AMFA aren't able to persuade mechanics in one city and THAT'S why it's taken more than 10 years to join an organization that's been around since 1964 and represents less than 2000 members.

 

[TRAVIS]

You just brought out the problem and the reason that you'll never be satisfied regardless of the initials of the union representing you.

Unionism is about doing what's best for US, not what's best for "ME."
 

I do be-leave the words i used  were to what was good for the AMT's and my personal views of the IAM and TWU failure's as a union for what I and others pay them for, Also as prof of this look at this POS of a contract, or do you need to pull your head out and clean them glasses.
If you are a ramper I can see why YOU don't want the AMT's to leave your  unions control. Might want to clean them glasses and look in the mirror ("ME")

 

[TRAVIS]

Why is it do you think that so many NON-AMT's care so much about what union the AMT's are in.
It's not like we are wanting to go non-union, Just in a different UNION, IT's still a UNION.
It comes down to this the Union works for me not the other way and if I feel the union is not doing all it can in MY best interest then it's time to find a Union that want's too. 
If the ramp is happy with the IAM/TWU fine let them go for it, I wish them all the best, But as a AMT and just out of a contract I have to look at what we AMT's were given to vote on and I know that it was voted in by the members of a beat in the ground bunch of old guys here at US.
Some of us are ready for a change and tired of being the lowest payed AMT's of the Major Airlines and with the Company making record profits and OUR UNION put's that sub-standard contract on the table for the members to vote on, What's up with this, They should have been using this contract to set the BAR up or were we sold out again.(we will get them next time BS.)
 
The IAM may be doing a good job for the ramp and other non-AMT's but what I pay them for as a AMT they have let me and my Profession down, Just like this sub-standard contract with the company making money hand over fist! What would they have put in front of us if the company was not doing so good???.   
 
Time for a change put in a AMFA card!!!

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You just brought out the problem and the reason that you'll never be satisfied regardless of the initials of the union representing you.

Unionism is about doing what's best for US, not what's best for "ME."
 

And next time post my complete post don't chop it up bone head to try to make it read what you want.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

10 years and you still can't get enough cards. Great movement! SMH.

 
Nyer
 
It's been more than ten yrs since the first first drive here at AA.  It is "TRUE" that 
its taken this long to attempt to remove the TWU. Still I along with others have to answer the same old questions. Yet the same old TWU just negotiates away more and more from the mechanics here. At USAirways they are still below AA in pay yet some still  want to keep these two industrial unions.
 
I can't understand that myself. 

 

[AP Tech]

Been downhill since I signed on!!!  Can't speak for others but hearing nothing but promises(most broken)!!  Lowest paid in the business even with this upcoming raise....ready for a change!!!  Sometimes you must take a chance!!

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Been downhill since I signed on!!!  Can't speak for others but hearing nothing but promises(most broken)!!  Lowest paid in the business even with this upcoming raise....ready for a change!!!  Sometimes you must take a chance!!

 
AP Tech
 
If you are ready for a change then you should ask your fellow A&P's why they have not signed AMFA cards?
 
This association is not going to look out for our class and craft, it is going to be up to us all to help bring a change to the New AA.
 
The IAM at one time many yrs ago was a strong union, which looked out for each group within the union, no so much any more.
 
The NMB is going to rule soon and we the mechanics need to be ready to submit cards so that we can get on the Ballot. Having enough of the combined group AA/Us is the goal.
 
The TWU/IAM are going to put out as much bs as possible to confuse the members and say to them they will loose the IAMNPF. The TWU will talk about layoffs. 
 
We all have seen our class and craft eroding for many yrs, with these two unions in power, just how much more are we going to accept?
 
It time to make a change, Take a chance to better our trade for us as well as those who follow.
 
 

SIGN a card today and effect a change for YOUR Future.....​

 

[AP Tech]

I believe the majority in my station have already signed a card....

 

[TRAVIS]

I believe the majority in my station have already signed a card....

Any word on the CLT and PHL and the PHX boys on how the card drive is doing. We might see more out of PIT now that they got a good look at that BS POS contract they voted in.
Seems AMFA would have a more aggressive card drive in these stations with the boys showing their frustration by having enough cards to trigger a IBT vote not long ago and with this BS contract also add this BS IAM/TWU association it will not take much to get the ones on the fence to jump in.
As you said your station the Majority is in as is in mine. I hope others in the big hubs are getting the cards in also.

 

[swamt]

Any word on the CLT and PHL and the PHX boys on how the card drive is doing. We might see more out of PIT now that they got a good look at that BS POS contract they voted in.
Seems AMFA would have a more aggressive card drive in these stations with the boys showing their frustration by having enough cards to trigger a IBT vote not long ago and with this BS contract also add this BS IAM/TWU association it will not take much to get the ones on the fence to jump in.
As you said your station the Majority is in as is in mine. I hope others in the big hubs are getting the cards in also.

Travis,
The ibt never had enough cards to trigger the election.  It was also found that forgeries took place during the card drive.  The entire ibt drive was a fake, it was interference ran by the TWU and ibt to block AMFA from getting on the ballot and to make them wait another year to be able to file, all in hopes of getting the AA and US mechanics included as one for a much, much larger class and craft that would be counted towards the card collection.  Although the NMB has not ruled yet on this, they have ruled for other groups at AA that they are one group.  So basically they (TWU, IAM and even the company with help from the ibt) were successful in putting off the AMFA once again.  Still hoping you guys get the grace period after NMB rules to keep collecting cards at the US side.  Let the membership decide who they want to represent them and sign a card.  Let the Alliance and AMFA go head to head on the ballot.  The democratic way is to have a vote for all to choose.  It is time for change at AA with the new AA coming soon.   Hope you guys can get it done this time around, good luck...

 

[TRAVIS]

Travis,
The ibt never had enough cards to trigger the election.  It was also found that forgeries took place during the card drive.  The entire ibt drive was a fake, it was interference ran by the TWU and ibt to block AMFA from getting on the ballot and to make them wait another year to be able to file, all in hopes of getting the AA and US mechanics included as one for a much, much larger class and craft that would be counted towards the card collection.  Although the NMB has not ruled yet on this, they have ruled for other groups at AA that they are one group.  So basically they (TWU, IAM and even the company with help from the ibt) were successful in putting off the AMFA once again.  Still hoping you guys get the grace period after NMB rules to keep collecting cards at the US side.  Let the membership decide who they want to represent them and sign a card.  Let the Alliance and AMFA go head to head on the ballot.  The democratic way is to have a vote for all to choose.  It is time for change at AA with the new AA coming soon.   Hope you guys can get it done this time around, good luck...

WE had a vote for IAM-IBT at US AIRWAYS and the IBT did not make it.( I voted IBT) Their were over 1500 who did not even bother to vote and they are the ones on the fence I hope this time they jump in. The forgeries were on the AA campaign and the IBT pulled out, This was after the IBT Vote at US AIRWAYS.
Don't get me wrong it looks to me that there was some monkey business going on in the AA campaign and even the IBT said they were invited in by the TWU but they were not invited in by the IAM, That Vote was triggered by the AMT's at US AIRWAYS, because they are tired of the IAM misrepresentation and a lot of IAM supporters put cards in to give the IAM a wake up call, They still voted IAM at the vote. But looks to me the IAM did not care by this POS CONTRACT they put up. As I said this BS Contract may get the ones on the fence to jump in this time.
 
You and I went round and round on the IBT thing and as i said we needed to get rid of the IAM back then at US and in a way you were defending the IAM because you did not think you could get AMFA in at AA if the IBT got in at both. Now I have to deal with a tag team bottom feeder unions and still need to get rid of the IAM along with the TWU this time.
 
I have put my card in and called as many as i can to get support for AMFA at US that's all I can do. I want change here at US or The new AA or who ever we are this week.
 
To me the IAM should be the one looking over their shoulder as the TWU and IBT have always been real tight and it was the TWU who invited the IBT in and then the IBT got a shot at US AIRWAYS. So who do you think the TWU wanted as a association partner.
 
kinda makes you think don't it.
 
Have a good one.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

US Airways Mechanics​

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As we await the answer from the NMB whether we will get a chance to Vote on our representation, I want to thank all of you for your continued efforts in getting cards signed so that we can bring a Union that will support our class and craft to the New AA
 
From the weekly conf. call it sounds as though many at PHX, CLT, PHL are doing ok.  You need to reach out to the smaller line stations and have them sign AMFA Cards. 
 
PITTs, needs someone to show the strong IAM supporters there, that if they wait to see what may or may not happen with the merger, it will be too late.
 
We all need to look at what the IAM has done to the mechanics at US and what we the AA mechanics have suffered under the TWU. 
 
No one knows if the NMB is going to give us a chance to Vote or even submit the cards, In order to be ready we all must work together to get the information out to as many as we can.  Our only chance to improve our class and craft now and in the future is for both the AA/US mechanics to work together to insure that this Association does not become our bargaining unit.
 
If you have any questions contact the AMFA organizer at your station, or ask one of your fellow mechanics if he knows one. Each week information is sent to the email address you supply. Get involved and make a change that will make a difference.
 
AMFA at AA 2014

 

[TRAVIS]

Looks to me the IAM is getting worried!!. They posted 5 Anti-AMFA flyers on the union board,They only started doing that when the IBT was getting close to filing cards at US. One on NWA , Seniority at Air TRANS, one with a rat about discipline, some guy who wanted the association and now don't and you can't trust him, AND MY ALL TIME FAVORITE 104% PENSION and you will loss it BS.
 
LIKE I SAID "PULL THE DAM TRIGGER"

 

[swamt]

Looks to me the IAM is getting worried!!. They posted 5 Anti-AMFA flyers on the union board,They only started doing that when the IBT was getting close to filing cards at US. One on NWA , Seniority at Air TRANS, one with a rat about discipline, some guy who wanted the association and now don't and you can't trust him, AND MY ALL TIME FAVORITE 104% PENSION and you will loss it BS.
 
LIKE I SAID "PULL THE DAM TRIGGER"

Yea their scared.  They are looking very desperate too.  Still using the ole NWA cards I see.  AMFA didn't kill NWA and everyone knows this, EVERYONE, the management at NWA is what killed the company, not some little ole union with no power and know money.  They also make a point that they will make top priority of the pension being moved over to the AA guys.  Well, guess what that actually means folks?  Nothing, NOTHING at all.  They still will have to convince AA to participate and allow the others to join, which does not mean it will happen, they are only saying they are making it a priority.
 
Travis, I do believe the US guys are gonna need to pick up the pace on the card collection, otherwise you guys are stuck with the Alliance, but I still think maybe not.  The Alliance is a new representational union trying to make entry into the new AA, and like any new union entry they should have to show 50% + 1 of interest.  If not, then I would have to say that there would be a run-off election between the TWU and the IAM at which time the members would have the option to write in AMFA or any union they choose to.  This is exactly what the TWU/IAM is trying to avoid, any election where the option to write in AMFA is available, or trying to keep AMFA completely off the ballot as they have done in the past.  I have heard many different outcomes though.  Hopefully no matter what the AMFA organizers will be prepared which ever way the NMB decides to rule.  As we all patiently await the NMB's decision, the propaganda will increase against AMFA as we get closer and closer to decision day.  But, the organizers and people like you Travis need to be ready to argue anything they put out in writing just like these recent flyers from the IAM, if nobody steps of to do so you will not be successful in getting enough cards collected to get on the ballot, this I promise you, as most the membership is lazy and will not defend, they will just believe all the BS coming out of the TWU/IAM side.  Get involved people, give some effort, take control and get unified, otherwise sit back watch what all happens and you guys will get what you guys deserve, just like the UAL guys did...