Why I Voted Yes

[reclineaholic]

You would reference the same articles you would reference even if the contract gets voted in. For overtime, field trips, and the RIF, you will reference whatever the company writes whether the offer goes up or down. For terminations, the term sheet says nothing about getting rid of articles dealing with such. Everything said so far say that the company is legally bound by imposing no worse then the march 22 term sheets, although they can impose the LBO2. If you did stand against lorenzo, I thank you, but if that was the case why would you not stand now? You walked away from your job in 89, but not willing to take a stand in 2012. Something is not right with that.

My friend I think you have on rose colored glasses. At Eastern lorenzo had armed pinkerton guards walking amongst us and standing above us on tail docks, we had so many people fired by the time we went on strike it would have took 2 yrs to arbitrate all the cases. We voted down a terrible contract that gave away everything but we didn't ask for release, lorenzo did that and he locked us out after the 29th day, police had to come so the ones that waited to long to get their tool boxes out could go in to get them, by then scabs had pried them open and emptied them. I voted no because I thought we could win something better and I knew we couldn't live with what was offered. The lorenzo contract was rediculous, huge pay cuts and no rights, one of the things I remember was top pay only to those mechanics that supervision deemed to be master mechanics, he wanted us to vote it down so he could force us out. Took me 10 yrs to get back to the pay I made at eastern but I have no regrets, if this contract were as bad as that one I'd vote no again but it's not and I don't think we can get anything better right now.

What do you think would happen here if AA were to ask for release from the NMB and lock us out after the 29th day? With the lack of solidarity here I hate to think about it.

 

[odie01]

I'm fighting for a yes vote just as your fighting for a no vote.

Oh, I see....Your fighting for zero job protection, and open language in the contract. That's really smart buddy. Wave that white flag with pride !!

 

[Overspeed]

Oh, I see....Your fighting for zero job protection, and open language in the contract. That's really smart buddy. Wave that white flag with pride !!

And you are fighting for 40% outsourcing including line, no raise for a few more years, and even more open language. Sweet!

 

[Overspeed]

Over 10,000 title 1 and less than 1500 title 2, but title 2 brings this sh*t back for a vote.....WOW!

Title II is mechanic and related which is in our class and craft per the NMB. You AMFA/AMP lovers only consider AMTs as "real" mechanics. You forget that building cleaners, parts washers, cabin cleaners, painters, blasting machine operators, machinists, platers, auto mechanics, and facilities maintenance mechanics are included in our class and craft. The NMB is the reason you can't have an all AMT union unless you outsource all their jobs but then maybe that's why you want abrogation. So that more of those pesky facilities and auto shop mechanics can have their jobs outsourced. You are a real union guy Odie. Will sell out your fellow man's job for your own. Title II has a right to vote on the M&R agreement and you can't take that away.

 

[Blueweng48]

No one has given me one reason a NO VOTE will BENIFIT me more than a YES VOTE !
1. A yes vote will get me a 15% raise over 5 years, a no vote won't.
2. A yes vote will get me a 5.5 % 401k match, a no vote won't.
3. A yes vote will cause my deductibles to be lower than a no vote.
4. A yes vote will open the wages after 36 months for a comparison check with other airlines and bring us to the averge with no nagociations, a no vote won't.
5. Last and foremost a yes vote will keep 1600 more of my UNION BROTHERS and SISTERS EMPLOYED !
I have 27 years, i'm not scared of loosing my job today. But i am not willing to vote my union brothers and sisters jobs away to be outsourced. I don't understand a NO VOTE under these circumstances.



VOTE YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Buck]

I have the solution for you ....... Move to Tulsa, Problem solved I don't have a problem with someone voting no if that is what they feel like is the best solution for them & they shouldn't have a problem with me voting yes because that is the best solution for me & my family, if your not happy with the contract then you should vote no, i'm not voting yes out of fear Ken I'm voting yes because I want a 15% pay raise over the 6 year contract & I think voting no will mean that I won't get that raise.
there is nothing wrong with staying & fighting for what you want or voting for what you want but there is something wrong with berating others who don't share your agenda or want to vote YOUR way.
Respect your fellow employee's regardless of how they vote.

Be careful what you wish for, some of the line might take you up on the offer and bump.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

No one has given me one reason a NO VOTE will BENIFIT me more than a YES VOTE !
1. A yes vote will get me a 15% raise over 5 years, a no vote won't.
2. A yes vote will get me a 5.5 % 401k match, a no vote won't.
3. A yes vote will cause my deductibles to be lower than a no vote.
4. A yes vote will open the wages after 36 months for a comparison check with other airlines and bring us to the averge with no nagociations, a no vote won't.
5. Last and foremost a yes vote will keep 1600 more of my UNION BROTHERS and SISTERS EMPLOYED !
I have 27 years, i'm not scared of loosing my job today. But i am not willing to vote my union brothers and sisters jobs away to be outsourced. I don't understand a NO VOTE under these circumstances.



VOTE YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A no vote will allow you to say you stood on your feet and fought for what our craft deserves instead of cowaring and living in fear.

VOTE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Overspeed]

A no vote will allow you to say you stood on your feet and fought for what our craft deserves instead of cowaring and living in fear.

VOTE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Give the money back or are you sharing a smoothie with Horton drinking out of the black chalice of greed?

Vote no so you get more outsourcing, no pay raise for years, and still no job protection.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

I have the solution for you ....... Move to Tulsa, Problem solved I don't have a problem with someone voting no if that is what they feel like is the best solution for them & they shouldn't have a problem with me voting yes because that is the best solution for me & my family, if your not happy with the contract then you should vote no, i'm not voting yes out of fear Ken I'm voting yes because I want a 15% pay raise over the 6 year contract & I think voting no will mean that I won't get that raise.
there is nothing wrong with staying & fighting for what you want or voting for what you want but there is something wrong with berating others who don't share your agenda or want to vote YOUR way.
Respect your fellow employee's regardless of how they vote.

niner,

A 15% pay raise? How much of that will be able to be saved and not used to cover increased medical coverage and putting into your 401K?

You want a few pennies and industry leading crappy language?

My "agenda" is what is best for OUR craft not just me. Now you say there is nothing wrong with staying and fighting but yet you suggest I leave AA to go to Southwest. Huh?

 

[Overspeed]

niner,

A 15% pay raise? How much of that will be able to be saved and not used to cover increased medical coverage and putting into your 401K?

You want a few pennies and industry leading crappy language?

My "agenda" is what is best for OUR craft not just me. Now you say there is nothing wrong with staying and fighting but yet you suggest I leave AA to go to Southwest. Huh?

Ken,
When no one gets a raise after we vote no how will we pay the medical costs that will still go up and we have to fund our 401(k) with no match? Will we be getting a big raise after negotiations restarts? When will that big raise be showing up in our paychecks? When will the NMB set the first date for negotiations to start up? When AA exits BK in 2013? Then that merger that everyone is hearing about in the news, that will mean an interim agreement or new negotiations with the new post merger management team. That will mean we may get that big raise in 2014 or 2015. In 2015 if we vote no we will have given up 9% of the 15% raise and the DOS +36 wage adjustment will not happen. So based on the vote no coalition we will have voted down the May 2010 raises that would have had us at number two in the industry ($38) for two years ($20K we don't have) plus three more years of no raise plus a wage adjustment and outsourcing increased to 40%. Brilliant!

Ken stick to begging for handouts from the people who are undermining our profession and outsourcing our work and buy more busts.



Say it isn't so Ken...say you are giving the money back and not dishonoring Charles Taylor's good name.


This is an exciting time for the AMTA. The engraving of Charlie's name on the Wall of Honor is a perfect match for the bronze bust of Charlie that resides inside the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center that the AMTA was able to donate. That donation was made possible, (like the Wall of Honor donors made possible), thanks to donations of people who wish the same thing for Charles E. Taylor and our skilled craft & profession... well earned recognition for the responsibilities of a profession like none other.


Sincerely,

Ken MacTiernan
Director AMTA

Current Donors:

American Airlines M&E: $3000.00

Aeronautical Repair Station Association: $500.00

 

[AC Tynker]

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. We have the company offering the same old contract and the union saying this is the best we can do. We need to first get rid of this union and then this current management with a merger. Unless both are gone, we are doomed to be stuck in continuous loop with nothing ever changing for us

Maybe so Show me the money , I just see it a little different but don't discount your opinion. In my opinion as I stated before if you can't or don't change the culture a different Union would have the same unsupported impact and we would be right where we are now but I do agree that we need a total turn over in senior management. Like said it's just an opinion, not trying to imply it is fact.

 

[Buck]

I donated $666.00 to the TWU last year....

 

[4A Mechanic]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but LBO1 had the company putting in 3% into your 401k without an employee contribution. LBO2 says that the employee must put in 3% before the company will start to match up to 5.5%. Aren't we loosing a free 3% contribution to the 401k. Thats just the way I see it. VOTE NO!!!

 

[4A Mechanic]

Do you feel satisfied, because i don't!

 

[limit]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but LBO1 had the company putting in 3% into your 401k without an employee contribution. LBO2 says that the employee must put in 3% before the company will start to match up to 5.5%. Aren't we loosing a free 3% contribution to the 401k. Thats just the way I see it. VOTE NO!!!

You are wrong.