Why I Voted Yes

[AA89]

I never advocated any type Union on here. I have been somewhat neutral except for when it comes to AMFA. One of the main reasons I am against it I have stated before it is because of what people that are promoting it convey. It may be totally different than what I and others have been introduced to through promoters at AA . The militant us against the company, if you don't believe what I say 100% then you are 100% wrong. The AMFA guys at WN have even stated on here that they have told their supervisors they wanted to keep the lines of communication open to make sure the goal stayed common with them. The face of AMFA I have seen at AA is totally opposite and no I don't buy into what you guys have made it. I have also stated that whoever represents us I will support and do my part however small even if it were to be AMFA. You know and I know who Gary Drummond is and we both know how positions are obtained throughout the ATD and the International so you can save your quiz. Like I said the wannabe militant stance is not appealing as an AMT. If I wanted to live that I would have stayed in the Army Infantry where it is more than accepted, it is expected.

aapitbull confuses me as a IBT advocate and you a TWU advocate and that's fine but in reality I am just a Union advocate and a ticketed AMT.

AMFA itself is not a militant union. It is simply a more Democratic union whose representatives would be more in tune with the membership as well as accountable to them.Its bad enough to be battling a company but we shouldn't have to be battling our own union too. As a licensed AMT, how can you not want a union whose focus is YOU. There is no strength in numbers anymore. So why belong to a catchall union?Southwest has had a long history of getting alomg with its employees. AA blew that after 2003 and has now adopted the bully style of management. No matter what union we have, it is up to AA management to change their style if they want peace and a company left to manage.

 

[Mr Red]

You may want to read my post again. I didn't say that AA would impose the term sheets. I said that if the judge grants AA's motion, AA would be free to impose new terms. I don't pretend to know what terms AA would impose.

The law in the Second Circuit permits the debtor to impose the initial demand (the term sheets) but I don't know whether AA would impose those terms or something closer to the failed TAs/LBOs.

I can't remember what dire straights they were talking about.

 

[Shafted]

Rumor at AFW is that even if it gets down, Little is gonna give it his Approval! Bastard!

 

[Mr Red]

Rumor at AFW is that even if it gets down, Little is gonna give it his Approval! Bastard!

Oh,The all out war route.would not be pretty!

 

[1AA]

I believe in a mechanics union and you appear to want industrial unionism. We are far apart in that aspect. I believe that the political contributions of our dues are a waste. I believe that the TWU International is corrupt, without the ability of the membership having the right of recall.

Who is Gary Drummond?

Gary Drummond is the guy who might sign off on the LBO if it's turned down.
This guy is not a AMT, He is Little's Yes man. How sad.

 

[Frank Szabo]

Oh,The all out war route.would not be pretty!

One way or the other, there's going to be hard feelings. If the rumor is true re: the company paying for the twu's expenses in return for a bought off deal, I've wondered if one of the twu VPs would buy it, just to regain some of the drain from the twu treasury. It's doubtful there's any danger of the twu being ousted by the ibt or amfa - amfa is mainly a line oriented group and the ibt, I'd bet, never had any intention of booting the twu to begin with - just a repayment of favors from years past, diluting the card count for amfa.

Besides - if the company had to pay people to do their employee functions as we now pay dues to the twu to do for the company, that would even further affect their "savings".

We'll just have to see next week. All that's guaranteed is the American Airlines employee will be the loser, regardless of the outcome - only the unions and company will be winners.

 

[Realityck]

Rumor at AFW is: the most ridiculous one is the winner and gets the gold medal,
just like the Olympics!

 

[Mired in AA Mediocrity]

THE INTERNATIONAL HAS SHOWN ITS TRUE COLORS, AND THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR WHAT IS BEST FOR THEMSELVES. WE IN M&E, TITLE 2, AND STORES OBVIOUSLY WERE MISLEAD OR MISTAKEN THAT THEIR AGENDA WAS OURS. DON VIDETECH FANCIES HIMSELF A GREAT ORATOR AND SALESMAN, BUT HE REALLY HAS NO DOG IN THIS FIGHT. IT IS TRULY SAD THAT THIS DISGUSTINGLY INCOMPLETE LBO/POS 2 WAS BROUGHT BACK FROM THE COMPANY. WE ALL KNOW THAT WE ARE ENGAGED IN THE BANKRUPTCY PROCESS AND THAT THE COMPANY WILL INPOSE NEW WORK RULES AND MODIFICATIONS IF THIS PIECE OF TRASH PASSES. PAST HISTORY WITH THE GREEDY INTERNATIONAL TEACHES US THAT IF THIS LBO2 IS RATIFIED......THE MANTRA FROM gless, little, videtech, and the rest of the favored impotent international will be " YOU VOTED FOR IT"

PLEASE FORCE THE COMPANY TO ACT, DON'T WILLINGLY GIVE UP TERMS AND BENEFITS THAT HAVE BEEN FOUGHT FOR FOR THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES. WE GAVE BACK ENOUGH IN 03, AND THE LITTLE IDIOT DID NOT EVEN WIMPER A PROTEST THEN. THIS IS THE TIME TO STAND TALL AND VOTE NO.

VOTE NO, IMAGINE THE RATS AT THE INTERNATIONAL EXPLAINING THIS ONE TO CENTERPORK.

 

[Strake]

The creditors will impose new work rules and modifications if this POS doesn't pass and they will be worse. Why let the creditors decide our fates?

 

[1AA]

The creditors will impose new work rules and modifications if this POS doesn't pass and they will be worse. Why let the creditors decide our fates?

The Creditors? Now that is a good one.

 

[Tex-Mech]

Why let the creditors decide our fates?

I'll take the creditors deciding my fate over someone who doesn't have to work under this turd like Don V.

 

[whatajoke]

There is two drives on the property and where is the twu.
I am disappointed they are not addressing this. If the members had any gonads they would sign both cards and have an election and let the chips fall. There is to much distrust at every level in this company and in this union. Starting from scratch might be what is needed.

 

[Tex-Mech]

There is two drives on the property and where is the twu.
I am disappointed they are not addressing this. If the members had any gonads they would sign both cards and have an election and let the chips fall. There is to much distrust at every level in this company and in this union. Starting from scratch might be what is needed.

I would normally agree with you on signing both cards, but I am not going to spend $400 more a year for at least 6 years on dues to be a Teamster under whatever turd of a contract the twu sticks on us.

 

[Strake]

The Creditors? Now that is a good one.

Yep! Like it or not, they are the people pulling the strings and they want more. Time to take a deep breath of reality.

 

[Buck]

There is two drives on the property and where is the twu.
I am disappointed they are not addressing this. If the members had any gonads they would sign both cards and have an election and let the chips fall. There is to much distrust at every level in this company and in this union. Starting from scratch might be what is needed.

Helping the Teamsters by not getting in the way. Read the other threads.