Why I Voted Yes

[Ed Norton]

Of course it will pass. Why would anyone in their right mind vote no and let the creditors decide their fate. Honestly, to vote no is just dumb.

Once again:

 

[1AA]

I saw the vote yes sign crew out there when I left wish I could have been out there with them but I have a full day planned today, there were several out there, i'm betting the vote no group will be much smaller if any at all.

It appears both the company & the TWU have taken the gloves off this time & are fighting back, their not taking any chances that this might not pass, personally i'm glad their fighting back against the line station no brigade, it's definitely going to pass now.

You trying to convince me or yourself?

 

[1AA]

Of course it will pass. Why would anyone in their right mind vote no and let the creditors decide their fate. Honestly, to vote no is just dumb.

Your hung up on that creditors thing aren't you...

 

[Tulsamechanic9]

You trying to convince me or yourself?

Neither just gloating a little & yes I know it's a bit premature, i'm just practicing to get it right.

 

[iluvaa]

Then dont be to upset if it fails and the vote no crowd does a little gloating next week

 

[Tulsamechanic9]

Then dont be to upset if it fails and the vote no crowd does a little gloating next week

Fair enough.

 

[Buck]

How So BUCK ?

It is about progression and you appear to be okay with regression.

 

[dc10boy]

I saw the vote yes sign crew out there when I left wish I could have been out there with them but I have a full day planned today, there were several out there, i'm betting the vote no group will be much smaller if any at all.

It appears both the company & the TWU have taken the gloves off this time & are fighting back, their not taking any chances that this might not pass, personally i'm glad their fighting back against the line station no brigade, it's definitely going to pass now.

I simply cannot believe you goofs are falling for this line vs. overhaul garbage.We are one group.One seniority list.What happens to one affects the other.We at the line do have the advantage of interacting with other employee groups more then TULE.Therefore the company's lies are more readily apparent, and the TWU cannot use tools like Hewett to advance the international agenda without us seeing what is really at play.I'm a line guy.I voted no mostly because this will gut Tulsa.No job protection.None.No Eagle ASM cap.They can run an unlimited parallel operation.So many articles do not even have finished language.Are you going to go on someones word that this will "save jobs" even when the contract language itself says that it won't?I'm an average line mech at ORD, no hidden agenda,I want the best for all of us and this isn't it.

 

[FWAAA]

.No Eagle ASM cap.They can run an unlimited parallel operation.

Nope, that's not accurate. The size of the Eagle (or parallel) operation could only be as large as the pilot scope clause allows. Employees are fond of saying that "managing the business is management's job," yet many of you favor arbitrary limits on management's ability to operate the business.

If management intended to grow the regional operation to "unlimited" size, then management would not have agreed to limits on the number of regional aircraft (in its offer to pilots) nor would the company have placed orders for more than 500 single-aisle jets. Yes, Eagle will grow, as UA and DL have many more 60-76 seaters than AA.

There are plenty of reasons to vote no, so no need to spread made-up stuff.

 

[dc10boy]

Nope, that's not accurate. The size of the Eagle (or parallel) operation could only be as large as the pilot scope clause allows. Employees are fond of saying that "managing the business is management's job," yet many of you favor arbitrary limits on management's ability to operate the business.

If management intended to grow the regional operation to "unlimited" size, then management would not have agreed to limits on the number of regional aircraft (in its offer to pilots) nor would the company have placed orders for more than 500 single-aisle jets. Yes, Eagle will grow, as UA and DL have many more 60-76 seaters than AA.

There are plenty of reasons to vote no, so no need to spread made-up stuff.

Made up stuff?show me anything in OUR contract that protects scope.Are you willing to depend on the pilots defending our turf?.What if their T/A fails?Talk to the line pilots, there is a good chance it may.Then I'd like you to take a trip to ORD and see how eagle makes up nearly 65% of AMRs daily departures.That is WITH the current scope language in place.Imagine the next step as more of our flying is outsourced to low wage regional feed.

 

[FWAAA]

Made up stuff?show me anything in OUR contract that protects scope.Are you willing to depend on the pilots defending our turf?.What if their T/A fails?Talk to the line pilots, there is a good chance it may.Then I'd like you to take a trip to ORD and see how eagle makes up nearly 65% of AMRs daily departures.That is WITH the current scope language in place.Imagine the next step as more of our flying is outsourced to low wage regional feed.

Which is your biggest problem? Low wages or scope? I would have guessed the former, especially for you in relatively high-cost suburban Chicago. Look across the airfield at FedEx or UPS. UPS has what? About four mechanics per airplane at about $50/hr. I realize you'd like both (high pay plus jobs for everyone), but IMO, you can't have everything. The current pardigm ain't working for you as it yields just $33 and change per hour.

I think you can count on the pilots for scope limits. Even if they reject their LBO, AA still won't fly unlimited numbers of regionals - AA still has that order for 500+ single aisle mainline narrowbody planes plus the 10+ 777-300s plus 42-100+ 787s.

You do realize that RJs (even 76 seaters) have higher CASM than mainline planes, right? AA won't be flying small planes from CHI to the big cities like LAX, SFO, SEA, PHX, SAN or LAS. Same thing with dozens of other cities with mainline service. AA wants to fly 76-90 seaters in markets where 160 seat 737s are too big and where 50 seaters are too small. Restictive scope clauses won't change the fact that large RJs won't make sense where big mainline planes do make sense. .

I'm in Chicago frequently, and yes, AA's mainline departures aren't as numerous as they used to be. AA's high labor costs helped contribute to that (not high A&P hourly rates - but AA's total labor costs). DL and UA still fly hundreds of mainline jets in their networks despite having much more relaxed scope restrictions, and so will AA.

I'm not telling you how to vote - but a belief that AA won't fly mainline planes and will only fly regional planes is fantasy. Regardless of the vote results.

 

[2ndGENAMT]

Again, Can anyone show one instance where the workers fared better after a judge abrogated their contracts? To think the judge will not abrogate the contract this time is PURE SPECULATION.

Communist China owns most of the United States' debt. Whats wrong with that picture?

Wrong!!!

 

[Mired in AA Mediocrity]

I am a "NO" Vote.......Six Years ??? Really??? We are just being finessed by Mr Horton for the upcoming Merger.

 

[FWAAA]

Wrong!!!

Agreed. China owns just slightly more US debt than does Japan. Here are the facts:

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/tic/Documents/mfh.txt

 

[Flying low]

Once again:

I know what your saying about a spineless jellyfish, but some jellyfish can be deadly.

I simply cannot believe you goofs are falling for this line vs. overhaul garbage.We are one group.One seniority list.What happens to one affects the other.We at the line do have the advantage of interacting with other employee groups more then TULE.Therefore the company's lies are more readily apparent, and the TWU cannot use tools like Hewett to advance the international agenda without us seeing what is really at play.I'm a line guy.I voted no mostly because this will gut Tulsa.No job protection.None.No Eagle ASM cap.They can run an unlimited parallel operation.So many articles do not even have finished language.Are you going to go on someones word that this will "save jobs" even when the contract language itself says that it won't?I'm an average line mech at ORD, no hidden agenda,I want the best for all of us and this isn't it.

Seems to me, that just a few short months ago all I read here was SEPARATE contracts for OH and LINE. Now were supposed to be one?