which will it be? the ta or term sheet?

[Frank Szabo]

I only take advice from experts that I hire. Never go by the advice of somebody elses lawyer

Correct - I've no doubt the consensual agreement is better - for the international - that's who hired the lawyer.

 

[Duke787]

I only take advice from experts that I hire. Never go by the advice of somebody elses lawyer

That's a good point, is the TWU looking to protect dues or are they truly concerned with peoples's jobs?

We were in the brake room talking about all this and all us guys with 20+ years are concerned with protecting pay, but there was a guy with 6 years saying he totally disagreed and said the union should be concerned with protecting jobs, and I can tell you he was not happy with our attitude.

At this point I say protect the pay so you have something good to come back to. That term sheet doesn't scare me, what scares me is another crappy 6 year deal like the 1995 contract or the 2003 deal that turned into a 9 year deal.

If we got a $4 dollar an hour raise, I would vote for the consensual agreement, but that doesn't seem likely.

When all those guys came to AA from Eastern not one of them regretted seeing Eastern go under and starting all over, I thought they were crazy, I'm starting to see their point. I feel like I have been beaten down the past 4 years.

 

[Bob Owens]

If history is any example, when AA began making money after we signed multi -year agreements, labor asked for "shared gain "and was told "tough s**t, you have your contract. Some industry analysts are indicating airlines are on the upswing and quality representation will learn from previous examples and find ways to gain leverage for us as the economy picks up.Indications are that could be as soon as a year or two from now.

Go back a little further 1995, after a deep recession we signed a 6 year deal loaded with concessions, the economy soared but we were locked in till 2001. Here we are several years into a recession but most other carriers are amking money and AA is demanding another six year concessionary deal. Do we make the same mistake again?

 

[Buck]

A lot of those twenty + year members survived the B scale, which practically did the same thing. That does not mean either was or is OK.

 

[TWU informer]

There is an Early out but its funded by giving up the company match from prefunding. Some of the older guys have more in the fund than the early out would givve them.

Are you prohibited from giving us specific details or has someone but a gag on you?

I would like to know more about the early out, the stand instead, and paycut to keep a job provisions.
And does the agreement specify that we ALL give up the company match in the prefund reserves?

 

[TWU informer]

Without knowing specific details, on the surface this appears to be shaping up as the most devisive contractual vote ever taken by the TWU membership. And given the past divisions, it is amazing that the TWU can even be called a "UNION".

 

[Tex-Mech]

Are you prohibited from giving us specific details or has someone but a gag on you?

I would like to know more about the early out, the stand instead, and paycut to keep a job provisions.
And does the agreement specify that we ALL give up the company match in the prefund reserves?

My steward had a copy of it. It was 13 weeks severance, the $12,500, plus an extra $10,000. Around $40,000 for a mechanic 45 years or older.

 

[High Speed Steel]

Stay tuned in today's viewers choice "Soap of the Week", there is more to come in today's episode of "Bob spills the beans"....

 

[TWU informer]

My steward had a copy of it. It was 13 weeks severance, the $12,500, plus an extra $10,000. Around $40,000 for a mechanic 45 years or older.

With or without medical?

 

[BoeingBoy]

How do you know this?

What do you mean?

Look at the term sheet or latest offer - is there anything about an amendable date? For example, the ramp term sheet says amendable in 6 years. That means that the company doesn't have to negotiate till then. Anyone saying that any agreement leaves negotiations continuing better have specific language saying that to quote.

Jim

 

[TWU informer]

Stay tuned in today's viewers choice "Soap of the Week", there is more to come in today's episode of "Bob spills the beans"....

And so without a doubt, you favor secrets being held until the master manipulators can get the masses into a vote yes rally next Saturday?

Screw that, just give me the information, I am a grown man and can decide without the master manipulators attempting to tell me how to think.

Why does this Union always believe they have to control every little detail and save us from ourselves?

And more importantly why do you favor and support such crap?

Now run and hide again and do not answer you little weasle.

 

[TWU informer]

Bob, if they have a gag on you, now is the time to ignore that gag provide the information and take whatever they dish out. You will be better served to stand up against them than to not. Your VP will be still represent the 562 membership.

Balls or No Balls?

You let them hold the information until the Saturday Rally here in Tulsa, you may as well just be part of the VOTE YES group.

 

[High Speed Steel]

And so without a doubt, you favor secrets being held until the master manipulators can get the masses into a vote yes rally next Saturday?

Screw that, just give me the information, I am a grown man and can decide without the master manipulators attempting to tell me how to think.

Why does this Union always believe they have to control every little detail and save us from ourselves?

And more importantly why do you favor and support such crap?

Now run and hide again and do not answer you little weasle.

Informer, the "paper tiger" roared at me... :unsure:

 

[TWU informer]

Informer, the "paper tiger" roared at me... :unsure:

And you cannot answer, because the truth is digusting to your alter-ego character but you just cannot help yourself.

 

[Bob Owens]

Someone is selling you a bag of a magic beans.

Explain if the new amendable date is 2018 if the term sheet is implemented and Section 6 negotiations take place 60 days prior to the amendable date how are negotiations going to occur?

We have been repreatedly told by the lawyers that the motion is to abrogate, which means to do away with , the collective bargaining agreements. There is no contract if its abrogated so there is no amendable date. But maybe you know more than they do.