Wheres the TWU Leadership?

[eolesen]

As outsiders, ( I work for AA ), you and I most likley do not know exactly why they are there. It may not have anything to do with the bakruptcy. It may be that the company and the union are negotiating. That is why I asked a negotiator for some input into what level the pre-bankruptcy had taken the parties.

My guess, and my guess only..... it is an election year, and the more-blue-than-red-leaning TWU and APFA leadership are probably burning up the phones, and calling in whatever favors they can to try and get someone on their side.....

<sarcasm>
Next thing you know, there will be an Executive Order coming out which
says the NMB gets to decide what happens in a S1113 ruling
</sarcasm>

Seriously, this is a bit unprecedented from what I can tell. I don't recall another situation where the NMB got involved in an airline or railroad bankruptcy.

 

[Buck]

My guess, and my guess only..... it is an election year, and the more-blue-than-red-leaning TWU and APFA leadership are probably burning up the phones, and calling in whatever favors they can to try and get someone on their side.....

<sarcasm>
Next thing you know, there will be an Executive Order coming out which
says the NMB gets to decide what happens in a S1113 ruling
</sarcasm>

Seriously, this is a bit unprecedented from what I can tell. I don't recall another situation where the NMB got involved in an airline or railroad bankruptcy.

Are the TWU/unions, and the company basically negotiating outside of the bankruptcy court? Just because the company is in bankruptcy, does not mean that the bankruptcy has to affect an agreement the company and the unions negotiated position. The Judge is only there to approve said agreement when the parties agree. If the parties cannot agree then that is when the Judge will use his power of the court to rule.

 

[700UW]

If the company doesnt file a Section 1113 motion, then the Judge has nothing to do with approving the CBA, as it wouldnt be put in front of him. And personally Section 1113 is the company's trump card and they will use it.

And if the company and the unions are negotiating outside of Section 1113, the NMB would know as they have been in mediation, correct?

And once again, the Judge only rules on motions put in front of him.

AA just asked the court to approve advisers to the tune of $225,000 a month to deal with Labor costs and issues, so I would see a 1113 motion filed shortly.

 

[Boomer]

NWA v AFA

My guess, and my guess only..... it is an election year, and the more-blue-than-red-leaning TWU and APFA leadership are probably burning up the phones, and calling in whatever favors they can to try and get someone on their side.....

<sarcasm>
Next thing you know, there will be an Executive Order coming out which
says the NMB gets to decide what happens in a S1113 ruling
</sarcasm>

Seriously, this is a bit unprecedented from what I can tell. I don't recall another situation where the NMB got involved in an airline or railroad bankruptcy.

Before the unprecedented actions of the US 2nd Court of Appeals in the matter of, LINK PROVIDED: NWA v AFA, it was held as a matter of simple interpretation that the , "status -quo" requirement of the RLA was sacrosanct.

The 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals defined their interpretation of the conflict between the need for a business to reorganize under the protection of the bankruptcy code as paramount to the RLA requirement of status-quo between negotiating parties under the RLA.

Congress makes the laws: they have passed both the Bankruptcy Code and the Railway Labor Act.

In neither of those codes, does Congress relinquish their authority to inerpret their intent.

The 2nd Circuit, in NWA v AFA, only rendered their opinion of how the two conflicting codes were to be reconciled.

The Legislative Branch of Government, through the NMB, has the specific authority to govern the relationships between employers covered by the RLA and employee representatives as Constitutionally authorized by Congress.

This could become another hot button for the Supreme Court in an election year; which, IMHO, I beleive the rational for the decision lies.

But, IMHO: it works for me and my people by throwing a potential monkey-wrench into both the political and judiciary machinery, which has successfully mangled labor and the taxpayer, during a period in which neither the politicians or labor leaders can hide their positions from the workers and taxpayers.

 

[Buck]

If the company doesnt file a Section 1113 motion, then the Judge has nothing to do with approving the CBA, as it wouldnt be put in front of him. And personally Section 1113 is the company's trump card and they will use it.

And if the company and the unions are negotiating outside of Section 1113, the NMB would know as they have been in mediation, correct?

And once again, the Judge only rules on motions put in front of him.

AA just asked the court to approve advisers to the tune of $225,000 a month to deal with Labor costs and issues, so I would see a 1113 motion filed shortly.

There is a little more to the advisor issue than that. Bing and Co. for the American Eagle and Rothschild Inc. as Financial Advisor and Investment Banker for the Debtors, American Airlines. see Docket #473

 

[700UW]

AMR Corp. asks permission to hire Perella Weinberg firm: AMR is seeking permission from a bankruptcy judge to hire Perella Weinberg Partners as an adviser on pension plans and other labor costs. AMR will pay $225,000 a month for Perella Weinberg's services

Article

Had to correct you, what you posted was not in regard to labor.

 

[700UW]

Funny how there is no comment, interesting.

 

[High Speed Steel]

Funny how there is no comment, interesting.

All that can be said is that there are gonna be a whole bunch of people make lots and lots of cash off of this bankruptcy deal. Many consulting firms, advisory firms, lawyers and some from the upper crust of AA will bring home the bacon....

Too bad for us. The lowly workers who have the likes of Owens, Shalk, MacTiernan, and the rest of the "Vote No" coalition working "for/against" us to ensure we gain nothing. I wonder what piss ignorant vote no video they will come up with next? These geniuses have sure fallen silent...lol

We had a say and should've accepted the TA........Hmmm? I like the sound of that, maybe I will use it

 

[Mr Red]

All that can be said is that there are gonna be a whole bunch of people make lots and lots of cash off of this bankruptcy deal. Many consulting firms, advisory firms, lawyers and some from the upper crust of AA will bring home the bacon....

Too bad for us. The lowly workers who have the likes of Owens, Shalk, MacTiernan, and the rest of the "Vote No" coalition working "for/against" us to ensure we gain nothing. I wonder what piss ignorant vote no video they will come up with next? These geniuses have sure fallen silent...lol

We had a say and should've accepted the TA........Hmmm? I like the sound of that, maybe I will use it

Take ur MEDS and chill !

 

[TWU informer]

All that can be said is that there are gonna be a whole bunch of people make lots and lots of cash off of this bankruptcy deal. Many consulting firms, advisory firms, lawyers and some from the upper crust of AA will bring home the bacon....

Too bad for us. The lowly workers who have the likes of Owens, Shalk, MacTiernan, and the rest of the "Vote No" coalition working "for/against" us to ensure we gain nothing. I wonder what piss ignorant vote no video they will come up with next? These geniuses have sure fallen silent...lol

We had a say and should've accepted the TA........Hmmm? I like the sound of that, maybe I will use it

What makes it worse and harder to swallow is the talk about Owens, Ruiz, Petersen, and Rojas allegedly having secret meetings about implementing a red cirlce of the line stations when the BK cuts come their way.

First they advise voting No, then when BK gets filed, then they start trying to cirmcumvent seniority and protecting the NO voters!


Unreal!

 

[High Speed Steel]

Take ur MEDS and chill !

But Red, you no voters are cheap entertainment....

 

[High Speed Steel]

What makes it worse and harder to swallow is the talk about Owens, Ruiz, Petersen, and Rojas allegedly having secret meetings about implementing a red cirlce of the line stations when the BK cuts come their way.

First they advise voting No, then when BK gets filed, start trying to cimcumvent seniority and protecting the NO voters!

Unreal!

This type of activity wouldn't surprise me. Wow, the arrogance of it all

 

[TWU informer]

This type of activity wouldn't surprise me. Wow, the arrogance of it all

I think some people would sell out their own mother and father in the name of greed.

 

[bigjets]

What makes it worse and harder to swallow is the talk about Owens, Ruiz, Petersen, and Rojas allegedly having secret meetings about implementing a red cirlce of the line stations when the BK cuts come their way.

First they advise voting No, then when BK gets filed, then they start trying to cirmcumvent seniority and protecting the NO voters!


Unreal!

Is this a rumor or a fact?

 

[strikeforce]

Is this a rumor or a fact?

might be fact.....system freeze as of 1/16/2012.

not sure for fleet or all title groups.....seen it on Local 512 website.