crazyincanton
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We've already delivered. Twice. Three times is not an option.
HERE'S THE PLAN!
WHERE'S THE BEEF?
HERE'S THE PLAN!
WHERE'S THE BEEF?
Webcast Thoughts?!?
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28yearsnojob
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Plan pay cuts and layoffs if not no airline
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One of the things that struck me about all of this is that it seems like they still don't really have a "plan," per se.
The web thing is not a panacea. It is a good idea, about 3 years too late. Also, the web won't rebook you when there are ops problems, the "web" still can't do complex trip sets, etc.
Buying -400Qs would only make sense if it were going to be "the" remaining turbo on property. I would have thought that the B1900 would have been last, and 40+ seat routes would be jet only. This is a bit confusing to me, although I don't dispute that there are some routes where it might make sense (just not that many of them).
Furloughs are not going to fly with the unions. Add some capacity and use the folks you already have.
I've made my point about the F class and reconfiguration--it won't fly with the remaing group of people who actually buy expensive tickets.
The pay cut thing is water under the bridge--he should have done it when everybody else took a shot in the pants during the bankruptcy filing.
Until some of the non-labor issues are resolved (or, this management proves that they can actually manage an enterprise beyond "Labor Relations"), I'd tell them to piss up a tree--but hey, I don't work for US. It still seems like they are bumbling about for "the magic bullet," and it's not like LCCs just sprang up after 9/11 or the Chapter 11 filing--the very fact that these clowns were caught so flat footed (after Chapter 11, of all things) brings their ability to lead US out of trouble into serious question.
My synopsis? Dave went from being a loser to a desperate loser.
The web thing is not a panacea. It is a good idea, about 3 years too late. Also, the web won't rebook you when there are ops problems, the "web" still can't do complex trip sets, etc.
Buying -400Qs would only make sense if it were going to be "the" remaining turbo on property. I would have thought that the B1900 would have been last, and 40+ seat routes would be jet only. This is a bit confusing to me, although I don't dispute that there are some routes where it might make sense (just not that many of them).
Furloughs are not going to fly with the unions. Add some capacity and use the folks you already have.
I've made my point about the F class and reconfiguration--it won't fly with the remaing group of people who actually buy expensive tickets.
The pay cut thing is water under the bridge--he should have done it when everybody else took a shot in the pants during the bankruptcy filing.
Until some of the non-labor issues are resolved (or, this management proves that they can actually manage an enterprise beyond "Labor Relations"), I'd tell them to piss up a tree--but hey, I don't work for US. It still seems like they are bumbling about for "the magic bullet," and it's not like LCCs just sprang up after 9/11 or the Chapter 11 filing--the very fact that these clowns were caught so flat footed (after Chapter 11, of all things) brings their ability to lead US out of trouble into serious question.
My synopsis? Dave went from being a loser to a desperate loser.
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Here, Here!
HERE'S THE PLAN!
WHERE'S THE BEEF?
HERE'S THE PLAN!
WHERE'S THE BEEF?
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So now WN is our arch rival, but putting our work groups under their collective bargaining agreements won't work, because of our Hub and Spoke system, so what does Dave want from us HP's collective bargaining agreements? Just let us know.
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Gee, I wonder what this mean for ME (mainline express.....coming to a station near you!)USlurker said:
phllax
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Horizon had a Q400 that beat a F-28-4000 on speed between PDX and SEA sometime last year. From what I understand it is a very versatile airplane with no complaints from most pax. We get one out of LAX to Sun Valley. It's the only large turbo out of here these days. Everything else are 135's and 340's.
With regards to reconfiguring the fleet, if they do it and get rid of F, they should make the configuration like the old shuttle configuration. In my opinion, it's the only way it would fly.
With regards to reconfiguring the fleet, if they do it and get rid of F, they should make the configuration like the old shuttle configuration. In my opinion, it's the only way it would fly.
Yea, this all is really a big bummer. I guess I had my hopes up, that we were going to be told something Unique and Spectacular. Something that would get us all Fired up and ready to really Rally for this Company. Dave just reminded me of one of those"guys" I would meet in a Bar, wants to buy me a drink and give me a BS story. Been there, Done That. :down:
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I thought that it was a pretty fair presentation. I hope that everyone thinks seriously about where we are and what the options are going forward. There are a lot of people working for this company and a lot of others including families, retirees and LTDs who depending on this company to survive. Everyone does not have a lot of options if US Airways fails. God bless us all and may we make the correct decisions when the time comes.
EyeInTheSky
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Was this webcast necessary? There was nothing new here. Okay, you have a plan to profitability, let's hear it. Details, plan of action, who needs to do what. I think if he had done that he would have gained a lot more respect. Come on. The employees can't keep writing blind checks here. You want the employees to sacrifice, be honest and forthright. Sadly, I still sense some underlying false agenda that will again be at the employees expense. We're barreling down the Highway to Hell without seatbelts or airbags. Whose the dummy?
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Let the games begin!
Man, are all you people really ready to just walk away and start over? A lotta tough talk on this site.
Ask furloughees how easy it was for them. I know many, some who are back and glad of it. And some who are still out there making much less than they did (even after the last pay cuts) and doing something they don't particularly enjoy.
Most of us who remain have at least 20 years and much to gain if this airline "makes it". Like medical and flying benefits after retirement? Come on people, lets get real.
Gottadowatwegottado !
Man, are all you people really ready to just walk away and start over? A lotta tough talk on this site.
Ask furloughees how easy it was for them. I know many, some who are back and glad of it. And some who are still out there making much less than they did (even after the last pay cuts) and doing something they don't particularly enjoy.
Most of us who remain have at least 20 years and much to gain if this airline "makes it". Like medical and flying benefits after retirement? Come on people, lets get real.
Gottadowatwegottado !
