Vote no demonstration in Tulsa

[Realityck]

I've heard one of the "Vote No" Presidents (I don't know if it was Peterson or Owens) predicted American would never file for Bankruptcy just before they filed. Is he the genius that's now predicting the future in coordination with Owens, the fortune teller, and his crystal ball?

When the votes are counted for the Pilots and Flight Attendants, Reality may prove Peterson and Owens are both full of their own BS.

Have a good weekend!

 

[Bob Owens]

I've heard one of the "Vote No" Presidents (I don't know if it was Peterson or Owens) predicted American would never file for Bankruptcy just before they filed. Is he the genius that's now predicting the future in coordination with Owens, the fortune teller, and his crystal ball?

When the votes are counted for the Pilots and Flight Attendants, Reality may prove Peterson and Owens are both full of their own BS.

Have a good weekend!

No you heard HSS or Overspin say that I said that.


Lets give you a little backround on that lie.

From the time I came into negotiations in 2009 Don and his puppets kept throwing out the threat that we needed to give the company what they wanted or the company would file for BK, I said that the potential savings they could expect from M&R would not be enough to make it worth the trip since we were already below market rates. I said that their decision as far as BK revolves more around the Pilots than mechanics and that if they filed because of the pilots that the fact that we gave concessions, again would not matter, they would still come back for more. That has been proven to be true. So while it doesnt matter to the court it should matter to us. I did say that BK was a scam, and it is, as shown when a company can file with $4 billion in the bank and not be thrown out. We still do not know if the Judge will abrogate and the company is hoping we will never find out.

Genuis, fortune teller? Never claimed to be either, but it doesnt take either to look at this deal and know that it will keep us at the bottom of the industry for another six years. It doesnt take either to see that this is a bad deal and BK or not we dont have to accept it.

 

[Realityck]

Based on your comments it must have been Peterson who had the crystal ball and predicted that AA would never file for Bankruptcy.


BTW, all bankruptcies are scams, especially when you're on the receiving end.

 

[Realityck]

Gary Peterson: I've read your letter and the comment about how Videtich lost an arbitration case. Since you've been a Local President for several terms, how many Arbitration cases have you presented?

Just list the case numbers and I'll go to the Union Hall and look them up.

 

[Tex-Mech]

Gary Peterson: I've read your letter and the comment about how Videtich lost an arbitration case. Since you've been a Local President for several terms, how many Arbitration cases have you presented?

Just list the case numbers and I'll go to the Union Hall and look them up.

Isn't it typical of a twu stooge to ignore the point made about making sure you get good language and instead challenge the man? If the twu stooges spent as much time fighting the company as they do those who actually do fight the company, we might have a decent union. Can't wait for the next negative ad from this stooge.

 

[AC Tynker]

I saw the video, one poster commented that the girl in stores is a full time union employee.

If it's the same video I watched she is an Avionics AMT in Hgr 6 and not a full time Union employee

 

[aapitbull]

Pfffttt, like pitbull is a long term employee of a line station. You know he was here in Tulsa not too long ago as an OSM in the seat shop, he got a recall to AMT and transferred to DFW where he got a raise in line premium and not being burdoned with covering the expense of Base Closure....He is living high on the hog Informer, don't let him fool ya....

Actually I worked in Tulsa for more than a decade in shops and on docks I have many friends in Tulsa I raised my children their, I do not want to see anything bad happen to any of our members that is why I advocate a No vote we must obtain a scope clause with job protections for all that remain after they layoff we have been talking about 7000 to 7500 guys, If we could obtain that then we can talk if not then NO it is. While I do not know what date that would put us at because I have not looked at the seniority list I am willing to bet the majority of that group works in Tulsa.

If this passes get your popcorn ready!

 

[Tex-Mech]

Actually I worked in Tulsa for more than a decade in shops and on docks I have many friends in Tulsa I raised my children their, I do not want to see anything bad happen to any of our members that is why I advocate a No vote we must obtain a scope clause with job protections for all that remain after they layoff we have been talking about 7000 to 7500 guys, If we could obtain that then we can talk it not then NO it is. While I do not know what date that would put us at because I have not looked at the seniority list I am willing to bet the majority of that group works in Tulsa.

If this passes get your popcorn ready!

Just did the math on it. A job security clause that keeps 7500 employed would keep about 87% of Tulsa employed. That's a rough look at it, I can do exact numbers in the morning.

 

[aapitbull]

Just did the math on it. A job security clause that keeps 7500 employed would keep about 87% of Tulsa employed. That's a rough look at it, I can do exact numbers in the morning.

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Thanks, so even after the bump from the layoffs probably 2/3rds keep their job. But HHS thinks by me advocating for this repeatedly I am a line guy trying to outsource Tulsa anyone can see that is a lie!

 

[whatajoke]

If it's the same video I watched she is an Avionics AMT in Hgr 6 and not a full time Union employee

you better check your facts she is full time on ub.

 

[AC Tynker]

you better check your facts she is full time on ub.

Whatever the case I can tell you she took a VC day to be out there.

 

[Buck]

Whatever the case I can tell you she took a VC day to be out there.

Whatever the case you admit that you are human like the rest of us and could have erred in your assumption, right?

 

[iluvaa]

If it's the same video I watched she is an Avionics AMT in Hgr 6 and not a full time Union employee

she does work down there everyday and works hangar five on seconds for overtime. But the funniest thing ever is that she drives a caddie with personalized licenses plates that have the TWU on them

 

[TWU informer]

14 Characteristics of a CULT

1. The group is focused on a living leader to whom members seem to display excessively zealous, unquestioning commitment.
JAMES C. LITTLE

2. The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.
CONCESSIONS FOR JOBS

3. The group is preoccupied with making money.
WORK OVERTIME EVEN WHEN RIF’s ARE ABOUT TO HAPPEN

4. Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.
UNBECOMING CONDUCT = THREE YEARS OF BAD STANDING – 5 YEARS CANNOT RUN FOR ELECTED OFFICE

5. Mind-numbing techniques (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, debilitating work routines) are used to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).
STANDING ON THE CORNER WITH SIGNS SCREAMING AT OPPONENTS. AND NOW COMPANY PAID UNION MEETINGS ON THE CLOCK

6. The leadership dictates sometimes in great detail how members should think, act, and feel.
FEAR LETTERS ATTACHED TO BALLOT FOR VOTING

7. The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s), and members (for example: the leader is considered the Messiah or an avatar; the group and/or the leader has a special mission to save humanity).
OVER 20 YEARS OF ATTEMPTS TO GET DIRECT ELECTIONS OF INTERNATIONAL OFFICERS HAS FAILED. TWU MENTAL BELIEF THAT THEY MUST SAVE US FROM OURSELVES.

8. The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which causes conflict with the wider society.
LINE AMT VERSUS OVERHAUL AMT DIVISION

9. The group's leader is not accountable to any authorities (as are, for example, military commanders and ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream denominations).
AGAIN DIRECT ELECTION AND RECALL OF INTERNATIONAL REJECTED, ONLY APPOINTED LEADERSHIP ALLOWED IN THE INNER CIRCLE

10. The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify means that members would have considered unethical before joining the group .
CHANGING THE VOTING RULES AND REQUIREMENTS THAT MEMBERS HAVE FULL CONTRACT LANGUAGE BEFORE VOTING ON LABOR AGREEMENTS.

11. The leadership induces guilt feelings in members in order to control them.
TEACHINGS AND PUBLIC OPINION CAMPAIGN THAT WANTING PAY AND BENEFITS INSTEAD OF MORE MEMBERS IS WRONG.

12. Members' subservience to the group causes them to cut ties with family and friends, and to give up personal goals and activities that were of interest before joining the group.
COME AND JOIN THE SIGN FACTORY AND WALK PRECINCTS TO GET THE DEMOCRATS ELECTED AND FORGET YOUR MORAL AND ETHICAL BELIEFS.

13. Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group.
ANYONE THAT DOES NOT ATTEND MEETINGS, MAKE SIGNS IN THE SIGN FACTORY, OR WALK IN THE LABOR DAY PARADE IS NOT A GOOD MEMBER.

14. Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.
ANYONE SEEN TALKING WITH AN AMFA SUPPORTER OR NO VOTER SHOULD BE CALLED A SCAB. ANYONE EXPRESSING DIFFERENT OPINIONS SHALL BE THE ENEMY AND SUBJECTED TO CHARACTER ASSASINATION.

 

[whatajoke]

good thoughts to ponder but the membership is not as smart has people think.
elected a fleet service clerk president.
chairman of maintenance does not even have a license.
The big african american I think he is stores has not worked in 15 years sleeps at every meeting.