Vote no demonstration in Tulsa

[aapitbull]

pitbull, below is just a sample of the education I would have offered you for your 4 hour trip to Tulsa.....



Perhaps you need to go and take a long look at the companies March 22nd term sheets "they will impose" with a "no vote". What you are complaining about will be gone anyway also within the March 22nd term sheet is a statement reguarding concensual agreement must be met, and if not, anything with an (*) will not apply. That means there would be no raises, no profit sharing, no Early Out, Pension turned over to the PBGC etc,etc,etc...

What the TA offers is raises, gain sharing plan for Line and Base employees, 36 month wage average adjustment, 48 month early section 6 opener to re-negotiate (we would still get raises as they re-negotiate), profit sharing, a Frozen Pension, matching 401k, Early Out etc,etc,etc...

I will be voting for the TA and I suggest you do the same. If you decide you can't live with it after the fact you can take the Early Out or the Stand In Stead that offer's over $39,500.00, you as well would recieve your prefunding contribution plus interest and if there is a successful Section 1114 filing through the bankruptcy you would get the companies prefunding portion too. This would probably place you near $50,000.00 to sever your ties, and walk away.

Then you could take your skills elswhere to a company who you think would treat you better.....Just my thoughts

I have no intention of running from this fight if they want to take it to the mat than so be it. You and your fellow sheep have not seen the line in action you think a Van a newspaper add and a Sign truck is all we got stand right there and watch what happens.

Then if I need to take my skills elsewhere I will be on my way. all I can say is we AA and TWU are getting dangerously close to the edge.

 

[toroshark]

Time to read the truth. Pass this on please.

Local 565 President G. Peterson's Letter of Rebuttal to D. Videtich letter posted on TWU Local 514 website



http://www.lbo2.com/...etich lette.pdf

How dare my elected president speak to a unelected phat-cat like that. Doesn't Gary understand that the needs of the membership should not burden a appointed Intl. officer? He needs to watch Goodfellas and Wallstreet back to back so he gets it.

 

[AA89]

I look at it a little differently,They can keep their measly
40,000.I will be able to hold my head up at my new employment knowing I did'nt F the people that have to stay here for whatever reason ,and the AMTs in negotiations at other Airlines VOTE NO !

pitbull, below is just a sample of the education I would have offered you for your 4 hour trip to Tulsa.....



Perhaps you need to go and take a long look at the companies March 22nd term sheets "they will impose" with a "no vote". What you are complaining about will be gone anyway also within the March 22nd term sheet is a statement reguarding concensual agreement must be met, and if not, anything with an (*) will not apply. That means there would be no raises, no profit sharing, no Early Out, Pension turned over to the PBGC etc,etc,etc...

What the TA offers is raises, gain sharing plan for Line and Base employees, 36 month wage average adjustment, 48 month early section 6 opener to re-negotiate (we would still get raises as they re-negotiate), profit sharing, a Frozen Pension, matching 401k, Early Out etc,etc,etc...

I will be voting for the TA and I suggest you do the same. If you decide you can't live with it after the fact you can take the Early Out or the Stand In Stead that offer's over $39,500.00, you as well would recieve your prefunding contribution plus interest and if there is a successful Section 1114 filing through the bankruptcy you would get the companies prefunding portion too. This would probably place you near $50,000.00 to sever your ties, and walk away.

Then you could take your skills elswhere to a company who you think would treat you better.....Just my thoughts

HSS, as I read this exchange between you and Mr Red, I picture a cartoon with a little devil sitting on Mr Red's shoulder trying to convince him that it's ok to do something that he knows is wrong and doesn't want to do: I will be voting for the TA and I suggest you do the same. If you decide you can't live with it after the fact you can take the Early Out or the Stand In Stead that offer's over $39,500.00, you as well would recieve your prefunding contribution plus interest and if there is a successful Section 1114 filing through the bankruptcy you would get the companies prefunding portion too. This would probably place you near $50,000.00 to sever your ties, and walk away.

 

[aapitbull]

Time to read the truth. Pass this on please.

Local 565 President G. Peterson's Letter of Rebuttal to D. Videtich letter posted on TWU Local 514 website



http://www.lbo2.com/...etich lette.pdf

Gary you have my vote. No!! Proud Member 565!

 

[High Speed Steel]

Time to read the truth. Pass this on please.

Local 565 President G. Peterson's Letter of Rebuttal to D. Videtich letter posted on TWU Local 514 website



http://www.lbo2.com/...etich lette.pdf

I read some complaining but no remedy....Vote no then what?

 

[devil505]

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Gary,


That was a great letter that you wrote about/to Videtich!

You said what a lot of us have been saying or wanted to say to him for
YEARS!

Keep up the good work!



Mark Tanner
DFW Inspection
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[Tex-Mech]

I read some complaining but no remedy....Vote no then what?

I know that this is foreign to most TWU fanatics, but prepare to "FIGHT" is what is next. That is what unions do. They fight for what is right, and for what we deserve. They don't cower and accept whatever the company offers.

 

[High Speed Steel]

I have no intention of running from this fight if they want to take it to the mat than so be it. You and your fellow sheep have not seen the line in action you think a Van a newspaper add and a Sign truck is all we got stand right there and watch what happens.

Then if I need to take my skills elsewhere I will be on my way. all I can say is we AA and TWU are getting dangerously close to the edge.

Wow, how rapidly your self control can change, you should simmadownnow... I will provide your earlier post from this thread see below....


I heard your whining, I like Informer have very little time to scream at someone I know will not hear me. You are narrow minded and lack the ability to think for yourself you follow a failed idea in industrial unionism and I have given up trying to change your mind.You have seen the facts and choose to ignore them why should I lose my voice yelling at you when I can give interveiws to the media and talk to those who are willing to at least listen.

As far as the money goes I voted no in 2010 and that was a better deal than this one so, I think you know what I am going to do just in case you do not understand.

I will Vote NO!

 

[iluvaa]

Gary that was an awesome letter can't wait to pass it around my dock, since some were passing around your scolding by Don this might shut them up (I doubt it)

 

[aapitbull]

Wow, how rapidly your self control can change, you should simmadownnow... I will provide your earlier post from this thread see below....


I heard your whining, I like Informer have very little time to scream at someone I know will not hear me. You are narrow minded and lack the ability to think for yourself you follow a failed idea in industrial unionism and I have given up trying to change your mind.You have seen the facts and choose to ignore them why should I lose my voice yelling at you when I can give interveiws to the media and talk to those who are willing to at least listen.

As far as the money goes I voted no in 2010 and that was a better deal than this one so, I think you know what I am going to do just in case you do not understand.

I will Vote NO!

I am completely calm I was not yelling or screaming at you yesterday or in my last post. the facts are we have had enough and we will not willing give away the farm if the Judge takes it than fasten you seatbelt.

 

[FWAAA]

Voting yes will not secure the freeze. AA has said they will not guarantee the pension will stay frozen with a yes vote. Seeing that they have gone out of their way to screw the employees up to date, there is no reason to believe that they won't get agreements and then dump the pensions. You keep taking half of the statement to prove your point. Read the offer and read the statements from corporate AA.

AA has filed commitments with the bankruptcy court that would require that AA file a new 1113 motion, negotiate with the unions and hold another hearing in order to terminate the pensions of the TWU and APFA. Sure, AA could do that, but that's expensive and time consuming. Doing that would keep AA in bankruptcy for many more months, which I doubt anyone wants.

AA has not made the same commitment about the APA pension because they're still working with the PBGC on ways to freeze the pension and yet terminate the pilots' right to pull out their DB balance as a lump sum. I believe that the PBGC wrote new regulations that might solve that problem.

 

[TWU informer]

I am completely calm I was not yelling or screaming at you yesterday or in my last post. the facts are we have had enough and we will not willing give away the farm if the Judge takes it than fasten you seatbelt.

This is the part that those living inside the "Tulsa Base 35 mile radius" have never seen, know nothing about, and would rather dip a minnow in the water or shoot some ammo than think or talk about.

Screaming and yelling at fellow union men who have differing opiions, while standing on a corner with a sign is the maximum action within them. Of course there must be some security cameras focused on the corner, or even that activity is out of the question.

 

[whatajoke]

It is the Local 514 idiots that do not know what it means to be real union.
The cloak around tulsa is gone so I am hoping the real union members start to show up and get involved.
Did HSS change is voting

 

[Bob Owens]

AA has filed commitments with the bankruptcy court that would require that AA file a new 1113 motion, negotiate with the unions and hold another hearing in order to terminate the pensions of the TWU and APFA. Sure, AA could do that, but that's expensive and time consuming. Doing that would keep AA in bankruptcy for many more months, which I doubt anyone wants.

AA has not made the same commitment about the APA pension because they're still working with the PBGC on ways to freeze the pension and yet terminate the pilots' right to pull out their DB balance as a lump sum. I believe that the PBGC wrote new regulations that might solve that problem.

Its been done before. Is the expense of a new filing more costly than the potential savings?

 

[High Speed Steel]

This is the part that those living inside the "Tulsa Base 35 mile radius" have never seen, know nothing about, and would rather dip a minnow in the water or shoot some ammo than think or talk about.

Screaming and yelling at fellow union men who have differing opiions, while standing on a corner with a sign is the maximum action within them. Of course there must be some security cameras focused on the corner, or even that activity is out of the question.

Pfffttt, like pitbull is a long term employee of a line station. You know he was here in Tulsa not too long ago as an OSM in the seat shop, he got a recall to AMT and transferred to DFW where he got a raise in line premium and not being burdoned with covering the expense of Base Closure....He is living high on the hog Informer, don't let him fool ya....