USAPA Loses DFR Case!/US pilot thread

[Waketurbulence]

In fairness to Middlebrook there is only one way for him to learn his craft and that is by doing it. Unlike pilots there are no simulators for trail lawyers. However, I still think he could have done better with his opportunity.

So this guy gets "on the job training" while Brengle played solitare on his computer all on usapass' dime.

Money well spent?

Doubt it...

 

[Pi brat]

ex717 wrote:

"Audacity of Hope.
He got my vote. (And yes, I know him personally.)"

Please tell me you voted for him only because you knew he couldn't win and wanted to make a statement. Did you actually watch his goat video? I don't see how anyone that saw the video could vote for that man, and I use that term loosely.

 

[hp_fa]

Hp_Fa,

Since things are now in court and rolling along you mentioned Mr. Stephan's change in demeanor depending on who was asking the questions and its possible effect on the jury.

Would you be so kind to explain the legal concept of "False in one, False in all" when the jury makes its deliberations.

Thanks in advance. I think it's an interesting and likely not fully understood. Not sure if you're familar with the "Fully Informed Jury Association"of which I am a member.

It goes to the credibility of a witness and the amount of weight a juror may give that witnesses testimony.

I found a prior jury instruction that follows. Is this what you meant PB?

If you believe that any witness or party willfully or knowingly testified falsely to any material facts in the case, with intent to deceive you, you may give such weight to his or her testimony as you may deem it is entitled. You may believe some of it, or you may, in your discretion, disregard all of it.

 

[exB717Flyer]

Please tell me you voted for him only because you knew he couldn't win and wanted to make a statement.

Unable. I don't know if he's qualified for the job but he's certainly more qualified than his opponent.

Did you actually watch his goat video?

Yes.

I don't see how anyone that saw the video could vote for that man, and I use that term loosely.

I know you can't. That's part of the reason there's a trial going on.

 

[Pi brat]

Unable. I don't know if he's qualified for the job but he's certainly more qualified than his opponent.Yes.I know you can't. That's part of the reason there's a trial going on.

No sir, you are wrong on both counts. I didn't think that I would vote for Cleary until Schopaul came along. This man produced a video that put all US pilots in a very bad light and put it on the internet for the world to see. A lot of us have vented and said or done things we probably shouldn't have, but that sent WAY over the line and he never even apologized for it. That anyone would vote for him says a lot and it has nothing to do with why a trial is going on.

I wonder when his east coast tour will be, I'd love to be there.

On other thing. Remember how many times the east pilots were told to be careful about voting out of anger? It's good advise.

 

[Ralph]

The question about a particular witness's testimony and its effect upon the jury in this case has been asked and answered. Further discussion of theories of jury management/participation should be continued in the Water Cooler. Thanks.

 

[EastUS]

No sir, you are wrong on both counts. I didn't think that I would vote for Cleary until Schopaul came along. This man produced a video that put all US pilots in a very bad light and put it on the internet for the world to see. A lot of us have vented and said or done things we probably shouldn't have, but that sent WAY over the line and he never even apologized for it. That anyone would vote for him says a lot.

I wonder when his east coast tour will be, I'd love to be there.

1) Indeed.

2) I wouldn't...there'd be the obvious hazard of perhaps experiencing more completely despicable "art films" featuring goats.

It is almost a pity that fabulous work-of-art wasn't shown to the jurors...but..that one really shouldn't be inflicted on anyone anywhere.

 

[Pi brat]

It is almost a pity that fabulous work-of-art wasn't shown to the jurors...but..that one really shouldn't be inflicted on anyone anywhere.

I thought the same thing East. All those west pilots in the courtroom would have been so proud.

 

[BLT]

QUOTE (BLT @ May 4 2009, 10:30 PM) *
If you cannot set aside your differences in the interest of safety, then you are not a professional pilot and have no business being in the cockpit of an airliner.

QUOTE (prechilill @ May 4 2009, 05:43 PM) *
Well said. It amazes me to see 50 something year olds behaving like freshmen in high school.

QUOTE*
I agree completely. Now...kindly explain again, to all reading here, exactly why the west "pilots" routinely deny jumpseat travel to east pilots????

I can't answer why individual pilots act the way they do. I personally find it to be despicable. I have never denied a pilot from the other side a jumpseat, nor have I ever been denied. I therefore believe that the number of pilots denying others the jumpseat is rather small. Personal attacks, inflammatory stickers, ridiculous videos and such do nothing but degrade our entire profession. Not to mention that these things do not accomplish a single thing except to provide the immature an outlet to their internal strife, and to raise the level of discord amongst the pilot group. I'm sure we can all look forward to more denied jumpseats and useless rhetoric following the outcome of this trial. Hopefully I am incorrect on that last point.

 

[exB717Flyer]

No sir, you are wrong on both counts.

No, I'm not wrong because I was stating my opinion. You're free to disagree but that doesn't make me wrong.

Remember how many times the east pilots were told to be careful about voting out of anger? It's good advise.

Lemme get this straight: you advise me to vote for somebody who's actively working to harm me and then you imply I voted for the other guy out of anger? Really?

 

[Metroyet]

Anybody have a link to the allegedly offensive "goat video"? I'd like to see it.

 

[Pi brat]

No, I'm not wrong because I was stating my opinion. You're free to disagree but that doesn't make me wrong.Lemme get this straight: you advise me to vote for somebody who's actively working to harm me and then you imply I voted for the other guy out of anger? Really?

I think you're wrong, I think it was pretty clear that I was stating that it was my opinion. If someone is more qualified is usually someone's opinion.

So, do you think the video showed the mind of someone you want running your union, that's why you voted for him?

 

[Pi brat]

Anybody have a link to the allegedly offensive "goat video"? I'd like to see it.

He removed the original after some pressure was applied. I don't know it is floating around out there somewhere else. If anyone finds it please let me know.

 

[ussnark]

Anybody have a link to the allegedly offensive "goat video"? I'd like to see it.

Showing that he has at least a smidgen of intellect, he removed it. Now, what will he pay me to keep from me posting it? I bet the jury would really like to see how a "typical" west pilot thinks, you know, the person you think you will vote for. If he does not represent a typical west pilot, why would you vote for him?

 

[Waketurbulence]

While you are spending your time talking about a video that no longer exist, have you taken any time to read any of the transcripts or are you going to stay un-informed and just wait for the courts decision?

usapa has NO defense other than to deflect the responsibility to others.