US Pilots Labor Topic-Aug 1-5

[ableoneable]

I am of the opinion now that any west dude flying with me had better be good. Damn good. I've got the NYT on speed dial and anymore poop from this pathetic excuse for an airline will get a call. I hear US is pretty good at damage control. I would really like to test that.

Ahh, truly a charter member of the angry FO club.

It will be a joy to fly with people like you, who make it abundantly clear that they lust for the opportunity to stab their west partner in the back at the first opportunity.

Truly a professional attitude that will have a positive impact on flight safety.

I am sure that you will find yourself removed from the trip for this attitude. Go ahead and speed dial the NYT as well, it will speed up your dismissal.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

I am of the opinion now that any west dude flying with me had better be good. Damn good. I've got the NYT on speed dial and anymore poop from this pathetic excuse for an airline will get a call. I hear US is pretty good at damage control. I would really like to test that.

Woah, retaliation is not allowed in the workplace. And, now, you posted it here, its premeditated.

You are just begging to be sued for defamation of character if you ever act out on this unfocused, petty bit of vengence.

Nic is it, get on with your life.

 

[Megasnoop]

Ableoneable posted an open letter from Rich Alter, a man with an enormous amount of integrity and character,

I'll get back to you on that. Got to get some "unbiased facts" about his behavior at a certain SAVE-OUR-ALPA informational meeting. I dont like to smash pumpkins without the "facts."

USAPA LAS VEGAS DOMICILE UPDATE - August 3, 2009.....

LEONIDAS UPDATE - AUGUST 04, 2009.....

Hawkhunter,
From Aloneable's post Rich Alter said,.....

Those and 15 other posts in less than 24 hours, USA320Pilot? What's that all about? Carrying the West's water? Run out of East pilots who will listen to you?

BTW, speaking of "unbaised facts," almost a post and hour, why no comment on the lies from "unbiased facts" about Tracy and Scott's FPL? Got a real problem with that one, don't you, Pilot?

There are some people who, if they don't already know, you can't tell 'em. Yogi Berra

 

[NiceLandingCaptain]

Just in from the USAPA Com Chairman (the guy who's last name is pronounced like sewer, but with a lisp):

Q: Hey, what does a clock with a lisp say?
A: Nic nok, nic nok, nic nok...............

Ah, a little levity to cap the evening, gotta love it.

Nic nok, nic nok, :bleh: :mf_boff:

 

[HPDriver]

Reference, please.

Geeee, an east pilot who didn't bother to even glance at the transcripts of the last hearing.

I'm shocked.

 

[EastUS]

BTW, speaking of "unbaised facts," almost a post and hour, why no comment on the lies from "unbiased facts" about Tracy and Scott's FPL? Got a real problem with that one, don't you, Pilot?

Oooh! Pick me!...I know the answer to that one! = Because they ARE obvious lies, and to reference them at all would require taking valuable typing time away from the spreading of fresh lies.

 

[flytchick]

Wow - Captain Jack - the "west dude flying with me better be good - damn good". HHmmm - when you do fly with them why don't you ask him/her how many fatalities/incidents/crashes they have had at West? Yeah - they are good - DAMN good. ZERO is your answer. Maybe if they are flying with you they need to have their cell phone ready. You would not be safe in a flight deck as you are too busy thinking about how you are going after the West than to fly the airplane safely.

 

[traderjake]

There are many no fly lists that would empty again.....

No fly lists, wow, sounds scary.

 

[captainJack]

USA320pilot comments: During the Representation election campaign USAPA mailed out campaign material and posted on the earlier version of their website they could obtain a new contract in 3 months because seniority is negotiable as part of a contract. And, Stephen Bradford personally told me this. Rich only repeated what USAPA said.

Assuming you are correct, I don't see how "seniority is negotiable" has anything to do with getting a contract. I would have been against anything like that, giving up what little "good stuff" there was in 93 for what, a 3% pay raise? Nope. Anyone voting thinking what you just stated should have their heads examined.

USA320Pilot comments: USAPA created a DOH list and provided it to the Company. However, according to HP-FA who attended the Addington trial and some of the hearings, “(US Airways attorney Robert) Siegel went on to state that the Company's position was that it wanted a single CBA and that it wanted to avoid labor unrest. Also, he stated that the Company accepts the Nicolau seniority list as being the seniority list for any negotiations.â€

"...according(sic) to HP-FA...." Not court documents, not any other source, just HP-FA say so. Right.

USA320Pilot comments: The BPR created a Uniform Operating Manual (UOM) that is not available to the pilot group and is not on the website. The BPR held two meetings where they changed the UOM to provide them self bonus pay not available to members, which might be a violation of DOL law. The BPR will pay the Officers 85 hours on the highest piece of equipment they can hold as a Reserve and a stipend of $1,000 to $1,500. And, last week they went and passed another UOM change authorizing the lease of new vehicles for USAPA officials’ personal use. The pilot group was not briefed on this before the UOM changes, the pilot group did not vote on this, and this too could be a violation of federal law.

FPL? Did you mention that?
You have two "might be" violations there. Tossing those misrepresentations around just to muddy the water. You have not changed much since your "done deal" days.
You, apparently, have not read the Constitution. The representatives do the voting on such issues.
I don't mind the "bonus" and especially like the idea of leased vehicles vs using taxi-cabs. I thought the idea of a limo in DC was one of the more sane ideas that came out of ALPA.

USA320Pilot comments: If you hate US Airways so much and you believe the Company is “pathetic excuse for an airline†why don’t you retire or resign? Why work for a company you dislike. And, if you’re threatening to do damage to the company by having “NYT on speed dial†why don’t you leave the company?

Your line of thought, though popular, reflects a weak mind. I can dislike a management enabled by deficient people and still like it here. I can love a people yet hate the government. Can you make that distinction? I doubt it.
I have wasted valuable time talking with someone who will never change, flip-flopping as the mood strikes. Anyone listening to you would be like someone listening to a drunk at Speaker's Corner in Hyde Park, entertainment value aside, I cannot see the time.

Have a good day.

 

[hp_fa]

Captain Jack,

I know that I am not the poster that you are having your discussion with, but at the moment the best information that I can provide is my post located here.

 

[cleardirect]

I'm not a lawyer, but I would think part of the appeal process would be for the court to decide if Judge Wake did allow pertinent information for the trial. In their decision on this, it would include their review of case law, and seeing if they agreed with the decisions of Judge Wake on what was or wasn't germaine. If they find his decisions excluded germaine information, there would be another trial at the very least. If they decided he was too far off the mark, after citing conflicting case law, the decision could be overturned in its entirety. Like I've said before, we don't have anything to loose by waiting. Spare me the propaganda, about the paltry raise I might have gotten, I know what the cost would be being stapled on the bottom of the list.

You also left out the most likely outcome. the ninth circuit upholds judge Wakes ruling and the injunction stands. That is the 90% odds on favorite.

Maybe you have been reading to much usapa propaganda to consider that a possibility.

 

[cleardirect]

Everyday USAPA becomes just a little more like ALPA. In the latest move towards the union the east hates. Read the methodology for distributing of the $35 million coming 2010.

LUMP SUM DISBURSEMENT RECOMMENDATIONS
METHODOLOGY “Aâ€￾

Affected Pilots :

Furloughed Pilots (Including MDA, J4J)

So now usapa agrees with the ALPA position that the MDA pilots were in facts FURLOUGHED. MDA guys the union that was going to save you. The union that you supported. The union that removed the evil ALPA because they did not treat you right. Just threw you under the bus.

Should be an interesting conversation at the next hearing for the MDA DFR. So the MDA guys are suing ALPA because they considered you to be furloughed. USAPA just released a document admitting the same position. That the MDA guys were furloughed.

One of two things should happen. The judge should agree with both positions and dismiss the case. Or number two. The MDA guys are going to have to add usapa to the DFR case because they hold the same idea. And usapa is the one the locked the Nicolau list in place with the injunction. Would that be bad for a union to be sued for two DFR law suits in least than a year?

Either way the MDA guys law suit is a loser. Be sure to thank your usapa leaders for throwing you under the bus the first chance they got.

Could we please not play the game. That’s not what it says, that’s not what they meant. It is only four words. Furloughed pilots including MDA. There is no other way to read that. You were furloughed. The east ALPA knew it, the other pilots knew it, Nicolau knew it, USAPA knows it, even the MDA pilots know it. It is time to stop wasting your money and the courts time. Unless you guys just really enjoy losing in court.

 

[UtterlyUdder]

Thank you for your kind closing and you are welcome for the response.

HP, thank you for your response to me. It was candid and gave me new insight
as to your interest in this subject. I appreciate the time you took to answer my query.

Since you know this subject so well, when all is said and done with this, why don't you consider writing a book on what has/will go down? I am serious; you write so well and know your subject and even with your bias, I believe you could pen a tome that would be interesting to not only those who have a vested interest in USAir, but the aviation community at large.

Taking into account that I often have disagreed with you, I read all of your posts because they are interesting. As I said in my last post to you, I took a vacation from this forum because it is just same ol same ol, but now a new level in this dispute has come into play.......that would be the 9th's granting of expedited hearing of USAPA's appeal, so I will sit and stay a spell.

 

[cleardirect]

USA320pilot comments: During the Representation election campaign USAPA mailed out campaign material and posted on the earlier version of their website they could obtain a new contract in 3 months because seniority is negotiable as part of a contract. And, Stephen Bradford personally told me this. Rich only repeated what USAPA said.

Assuming you are correct, I don't see how "seniority is negotiable" has anything to do with getting a contract. I would have been against anything like that, giving up what little "good stuff" there was in 93 for what, a 3% pay raise? Nope. Anyone voting thinking what you just stated should have their heads examined.

That is probably the single most silly statement I have read in awhile.

I don't see how "seniority is negotiable" has anything to do with getting a contract.

Since usapa would not have been able to negotiate a section of the contract. That had everything to do with getting a contract.

Welcome to the realization that usapa was not going to be able to get what you thought they could. Because that is exactly what Bradford and usapa promished. Watch the videos from the desert. The only time that usapa leaders came to speak to the west. Clearly they state in there that usapa planned to “negotiate seniority like a crew mealâ€￾ As you pointed out. Usapa was going to have to give up things in order to get the dream list. A different seniority list then the one the company accepted. Was not going to be a no cost items. The east seniority was not for sale as many pointed out. You were going to have to buy it from Parker at a very high price.

So did you vote for usapa? Do you need you head examined. Because that is what you voted for. Maybe you did not even do any research about what usapa promised. You only voted on emotion. Well this is what you get. The Nicolau locked by federal order. An organization that has no leverage or experience negotiating a contract against a very cheap management.

Good luck with that. You get what you deserve. Unfortunately because of your emotion and lack of knowing what you were voting for. All of us are in worse shape then we should be.

 

[cactusboy53]

Saying Url are available and actually making them available are two different things. Your reluctance is telling of a liar. Try to change that.

Dude, you are funny. BTW.....pants on fire.