US Pilots labor thread 5/3-

[Phoenix]

A jury was able to quickly determine ...

Uhhh... you may as well tell us the jury "quickly determined" that the moon is made of cheese or that J.P. is fat.

Your premise (you might remember) was that there exists an East and West that can choose when the contract ratification vote takes place. The jury didn't "quickly determine" anything about that. The fact remains it is the BPR that decides if and when there is a vote. Its your BPR and my BPR, more properly named our BPR. If you feel the need to go back to a jury to "quickly determine" if our BPR is failing to allow us (ALL of us) to vote on these supposed "contractual gains" that you dream of, then be my guest.

 

[Phoenix]

One more thought. You are aware that Odell is currently furloughed, and has been for around 20 months, right?

So what you are pointing out in your post is that usapa has stolen Odell's job for the last 20 months, and for the foreseable future, so that Colello, a pilot you just admitted is the less senior, could be recalled and remain employed. Are you suggesting that Odell will just have to simply forfeit years of his employment so that the junior Colello can remain employed because he happens to be older and nearer retirement?

And the convicts at usapa and their legal brain Seeham, cannot figure out why they are guilty of failing Odell in their duty of fair representation to him.

Convicts, boys, dogs, thiefs, and POS? The creativity is languishing.

 

[ChuckBewFarley]

Convicts, boys, dogs, thiefs, and POS? The creativity is languishing.

Insults already? When confronted with facts your ilk seems to have one refuge...

 

[Phoenix]

Insults already? When confronted with facts your ilk seems to have one refuge...

Insults already? Dear friend, do check your facts. Those words were used by West posters about East (in the past 24 hours), and if you carefully read my post you will see that I am laughing about it. You might say that I think it funny they have no creativity, or perhaps you might even say they don't have many places of refuge. Maybe not more than one?!.

Now I can add the much feared "ilk" to the list of labels.

 

[nic4us]

Insults already? Dear friend, do check your facts. Those words were used by West posters about East (in the past 24 hours), and if you carefully read my post you will see that I am laughing about it. You might say that I think it funny they have no creativity, or perhaps you might even say they don't have many places of refuge. Maybe not more than one?!.

Now I can add the much feared "ilk" to the list of labels.

Well I like using "convicts" to add emphasis when replying to an over the top post.

Dogs,....never used that.

POS....yep used that...while typing I thought ....Prodigies Of Seeham...but, Parker's Overworked Slaves,...or Perloiners Of Seniority, would work as well.

 

[nic4us]

edit: Looks like nic already answered this. Our numbers are close but slightly different. But you can see that the east theory of total despair because of the Nicolau is false.

I pulled my numbers from the list I believe was compiled by the east so they could make those graphs and tables of moving red squares etc. It shows how many West pilots where put in front of them, and how many younger are senior etc. I did not count the West names, I just used the number they said was the change in the east pilots number. By the way that chart convienently notes that #1000 moved down 192 numbers,i.e. 192 west pilots were place in front of him, But failes to show that the West's pilot #192 moved down 808 numbers.

Thanks for proving my point about the ages being "similar", particularly in the top half of the list.

 

[luvn737s]

Your premise (you might remember) was that there exists an East and West that can choose when the contract ratification vote takes place.

Perhaps you are not quite as sure of my premise as you think. The premise is that there are specific and unique interests to east pilots and west pilots. The BPR has chosen to advance the interests of the east pilots over those of the west pilots by specifically dragging their feet in negotiations and by pursuing dead-end appeals in the hope of delaying the vote on a contract which would implement the Nic.

But you continue to avoid answering the question of why you support USAPA in light of it's abysmal failure in anything but illegally disenfranchising west pilots. What's the upside of being a martyr for Cleary?

 

[Phoenix]

Perhaps you are not quite as sure of my premise as you think. The premise is that there are specific and unique interests to east pilots and west pilots. The BPR has chosen to advance the interests of the east pilots over those of the west pilots by specifically dragging their feet in negotiations and by pursuing dead-end appeals in the hope of delaying the vote on a contract which would implement the Nic.

But you continue to avoid answering the question of why you support USAPA in light of it's abysmal failure in anything but illegally disenfranchising west pilots. What's the upside of being a martyr for Cleary?

Oh, the West are victims of a grand, illegal conspiracy of merry martyrs that belong to an Eastern Leprechaun personality cult. You should have told me sooner! Quick! Use the legal system to get all your gold back. It will be cheap and easy. Start buying your new car, longer boat, and bigger house. Its gonna be a slam dunk and you'll reach the end of the rainbow any day now. Don't forget to wear green!

 

[TheBadCat1313]

Oh, the West are victims of a grand, illegal conspiracy of merry martyrs that belong to an Eastern Leprechaun personality cult. You should have told me sooner! Quick! Use the legal system to get all your gold back. It will be cheap and easy. Start buying your new car, longer boat, and bigger house. Its gonna be a slam dunk and you'll reach the end of the rainbow any day now. Don't forget to wear green!

Don't know many west guys who are buying bigger houses, boats, etc. In fact most are looking to downsize due to the stagnation, downgrades and furloughs that have occurred over the last 5 years, all thanks to the east's desire to regain their careers on our backs.

You guys really have no logical response to the factual information provided here so you post crap like this. Fact is, the last few years have been all about gaining recalls and upgrades at the expense of west pilots. You do the job for less pay, benefits and time off and the company has rewarded you by giving you our flying. If it were not for the age 65 change, your plan would be working beautifully.

 

[Poug Darker]

Don't know many west guys who are buying bigger houses, boats, etc. In fact most are looking to downsize due to the stagnation, downgrades and furloughs that have occurred over the last 5 years, all thanks to the east's desire to regain their careers on our backs.

You guys really have no logical response to the factual information provided here so you post crap like this. Fact is, the last few years have been all about gaining recalls and upgrades at the expense of west pilots. You do the job for less pay, benefits and time off and the company has rewarded you by giving you our flying. If it were not for the age 65 change, your plan would be working beautifully.

Ahem. Which side did not support parity pay?
Also, the company has given the WEST 24% of the east flying. The east only performs 4% of the WEST flying.
You do the math.
Talk about logical responses.....
Cheers.

 

[Black Swan]

Yes. That's exactly the group i'm talking about. They're also the ones who bargained in good faith, entered binding arbitration and played by ALL the rules. They're also the ones who should have had a much improved contract years ago. It's the same group that has been in Sec. 6 for years but their new FAKE union, refuses to honor sec. 6. refuses to drop a lawsuit that is aimed to intimidate and bankrupt their OWN pilots, on and on and on.

West pilots are nothing but victims of a crime. I believe there is a court record that would support that idea.

Cry me a river. If most pilots had 17 years notice that theirs careers were going nowhere, I think most reasonable people would have acted on that information. Some didn't. Maybe for good reasons too. Either way, Tough S... The bottom is the bottom is the bottom.

Badcat- read the last paragraph. About the notice you have also had according to Metro. If the East didn't learn in 17 yrs. your guys should have learned in the 5 yrs. since your careers headed south also. Maybe the West pilots should act on this information, that is if you listen to Metro......

 

[Black Swan]

Ahem. Which side did not support parity pay?
Also, the company has given the WEST 24% of the east flying. The east only performs 4% of the WEST flying.
You do the math.
Talk about logical responses.....
Cheers.

Support a B-Scale in your airline, and it just might come back to bite you............

 

[Phoenix]

Don't know many west guys who are buying bigger houses, boats, etc. In fact most are looking to downsize due to the stagnation, downgrades and furloughs that have occurred over the last 5 years, all thanks to the east's desire to regain their careers on our backs.

You guys really have no logical response to the factual information provided here so you post crap like this. Fact is, the last few years have been all about gaining recalls and upgrades at the expense of west pilots. You do the job for less pay, benefits and time off and the company has rewarded you by giving you our flying. If it were not for the age 65 change, your plan would be working beautifully.

Oh yeah... the factual information you are providing.. It was very gracious of you to provide said information. News flash... information is not factual just because a couple of retired East pilots would rather join your chorus instead of take up golfing or fishing.

And for all the whiners that think commuting from LAS to PHX is tough, now that your base is closed, have a little pity on us CLT pilots who stole your jobs in PHX. Our commute is much harder than yours.. gee the time zone crossings are killing me.

Did you buy some green clothing yet? And since you gave free information to us, in the spirit of sharing.. free interview tip: When asked why one would want to work here instead of there... Only Burger King flame broils their beef, of course! I'll warn you though, we have more interview tips up our sleeve that we won't share. The day of new interviews is fast approaching.

 

[luvn737s]

Badcat- read the last paragraph. About the notice you have also had according to Metro. If the East didn't learn in 17 yrs. your guys should have learned in the 5 yrs. since your careers headed south also. Maybe the West pilots should act on this information, that is if you listen to Metro......

All pilots should act on this information by voting out USAPA.

 

[TheBadCat1313]

So, you guys believe Doug when he tells you the west is doing 24% of your flying, but you think everything else he says is BS? The man has one purpose in life and that's to keep us fighting each other as long as possible.

The reason west pilots could not support pay parity is that it would have removed all incentive for the east to negotiate a new CBA. Doug would still have transferred 8000 hours per month of our flying out there because your contract would still be more efficient, even at the same hourly pay rates.

The factual information I was referring to was the breakdown of the Nic list by others on this board, which clearly shows that it is not the boogyman you think it is. But then you don't really care about that, do you? What you really want is the ability to jump start your crappy career by leapfrogging west pilots by 30 or 40% seniority overnight. Until you admit that, there just isn't much more to discuss.