US Pilots Labor Thread 3/4-3/11-READ THE FIRST POST

[Tiger 1050]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


No. Really... that was funny.

To some. However the question is quite compelling! Your answer?

 

[nostradamus]

Alright I think I got it. NPA board members voted to merge with ALPA. The pilots on the other hand still must vote and that takes place between March 11 and April 10th.

That is what I read into it also. Any advice for the front line Air Tran pilots?

 

[Tiger 1050]

That is what I read into it also. Any advice for the front line Air Tran pilots?

No easy answer. I would caution against ALPA but so far the other side of the fence hasn't been very green either...

 

[nostradamus]

No easy answer. I would caution against ALPA but so far the other side of the fence hasn't been very green either...

Yes but the fence will only last about 5 or so years.

 

[cleardirect]

It has now been over 30 hours since the trial date was set. But still no word from usapa.

How much spin do they need to announce a trial date?

How long are the usapa leaders going to keep their members in the dark?

 

[Megasnoop]

The jury will be ruling on the liability issue. If USAPA failed in it’s duty to represent the west fairly.

Ok, Clear. For the most part, I agree with your post. It was quite civil and a notable departure from your standard faire of gotchas.

For those westies gloating about the "class action" status (reprinted with permission),

USAPA Update
March 4, 2009

Item One: We would like to report recent developments in the Addington litigation. On Tuesday, the Court indicated its intention to certify an injunction-only plaintiffs' class. The six plaintiffs were able to obtain this class certification by confirming to the judge that they are not seeking any wage-related damages for the West pilot class. This type of injunctive relief would have the same effect with or without a class action.. The six plaintiffs continue to seek wage-related damages on their own behalf.

The Court further indicated that it would order that a jury trial in this matter commence on April 28. The plaintiffs sought a non-jury trial arguing that all fact determinations should be determined by Judge Wake. The Court has held that USAPA is entitled to a jury trial due to the six plaintiffs continued pursuit of wage-related damages.

USAPA currently intends to make a motion to requesting that any jury trial be postponed until the plaintiffs grievance against the Company, pending before the Transition Agreement System Board, is resolved. USAPA also intends to appeal the class certification determination in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. In the meantime, USAPA will engage in preparations for the trial as currently scheduled.

Even with the appeal the remedy goes forward.

Usually not true in civil cases. ALPO didnt pay on the PanAm/DAL DFR back in the 1990s after losing the verdict. ALPO won the appeal. But keep in mind, only the "DFR-6" are asking for $$ damages. If the 6 werent grabbing for the bucks on their own, there wouldnt be a ruling for a jury trial.

But just after I thought maybe youd switch from attacks to facts, I read this from you:

It has now been over 30 hours since the trial date was set. But still no word from usapa.
How much spin do they need to announce a trial date?
How long are the usapa leaders going to keep their members in the dark?

Our leadership keeps us informed just fine. And as a dues paying member in good standing, I can call by BPR and get an immediate response.

http://www.snip-the-snoop.org

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

...Transition Agreement System Board, is resolved.

What is the Transition Agreement System Board?

 

[BoeingBoy]

It is the board that rules on disagreements (grievances) over the transition agreement language or the implementation of that language. It is separate from the normal contract grievance processes since they pertain to each of the two separate contracts while the TA system board only deals with the TA.

Jim

 

[cleardirect]

It was a fact. When I posted that, the usapa web site still did not have anything about the trial on it.

Next! That update was spinning so fast it made me dizzy.

Read the order for yourself. Not much interpretation required. usapa can appeal all they want. I seriously doubt that the judge is going to delay one second.

Why the delay? Usapa is righteous in their position right. A core union value is what usapa is trying to do right. Then lets go. Let a jury (that usapa asked for) decide who is right and who is wrong.

ps HP-FA care to interpret?

 

[Megasnoop]

What is the Transition Agreement System Board?

Since your STILL not a member:

QUOTE (Megasnoop @ Feb 22 2009, 12:00 PM)
...anyone can access the usapa site by typing in the name of our organization and a simple password, which youd have to be living in a cave not to know. Weve put it out that often.

If you say so.

And if your a westie, your not getting the facts. USAPA is actively pursuing 3 critical arbitrations. 2 are done, waiting ruling. 2 are west-related only. The company is doing everything it can to delay, what you do when your going to lose. But you wont hear the truth about any of them on the AOL or AWAPPA boards.

1) arb on the 3rd list. A win there goes back to the 2 lists and gives additional pay to west pilots furloughed out of seniority. Whether they get recalled depends on arb 3.
2) arb on the 17 RJs that the company was over. A win there could force the company to bring back the equivalent number of pilots not flying those RJs, maybe 200 total.
3) arb on the the company flying below the TA-allowed hours out west, causing illegal furloughs. A win there could bring back all west furloughees.

Working under the radar is West FO Mitch Vasin. I hear hes paid up member. While he is still being RICO-sued and a strong AOL/AWAPPA provocateur, he does see the light. These arbs benefit West more than East. Vasin has a personal interest in a win. One more round of cuts and hes on the street. But Ill give him credit, hes doing the right thing. This has nothing to do with the NIC. Forget his helping. As a paid up member, he should be dropped from the RICO. I havent changed my tune on that in the past 4 months.

http://www.snip-a-snoop.net

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Usapa forgot to mention in their update how the appeal of class certification and motion to delay trial further underscore the underlying strength of their argument.

 

[Metroyet]

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[Metroyet]

The company is doing everything it can to delay, what you do when your going to lose.

Wow, the total lack of Eastie ability to recognize and grasp irony has always confounded me.

How are those preemptive appeals coming? Why delay? You have the perfect case...you should be sprinting into Judge wake's courtroom...except it seems it's the last place on earth you want to go. Why?

 

[sharktooth]

It has now been over 30 hours since the trial date was set. But still no word from usapa.

Perhaps, instead of relying on a web site, you should confront your representative about what is going on. It seems the election has been over for some 36 hours when the issue in question was published, plenty of time for even the laziest of reps to set up. I had access. He had access. He chose not to publish. Your beef is with him, or the person maintaining his web site - his wife?

There is a chain of command, now that you have a rep. You may wish to use it, first.

Also, joining USAPA would allow you to satisfy your cravings on a personal level and certainly would lend some credibility to your postings.

 

[A320 Driver]

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Wow, the total lack of Eastie ability to recognize and grasp irony has always confounded me.

How are those preemptive appeals coming? Why delay? You have the perfect case...you should be sprinting into Judge wake's courtroom...except it seems it's the last place on earth you want to go. Why?

A little more time goes by and possible wins in arbitration on issues directly benefiting the West pilots further erodes the West case that they are not being fairly represented.

Who knows?

A320 Driver B)