US Pilots Labor Thread 3/25-4/1

[700UW]

actually mechanics are a mix of two formulas, DOH and date of classification if they hold more than one classification seniority.

But the IAM always goes for dovetailing.

 

[Atlantic]

OK, but DOH was the driver.

 

[700UW]

Well it all depends, if you were hired on the ramp and then transfered to mtc, you didnt get doh for bidding you get doc.

Myself I held two differant classifications, my vacation, days off, shift, bidding were done by doc, not doh,cause I started in Air Cargo.

My flying was DOH.

When I upgraded, vacation and holiday went by date under contract, but shift, bid area and days off were date of classification.

 

[EastUS]

It is a silly piece of fantasy.

In all fairness to any "silly piece of fantasy"...well...ummm...ya' just gotta' feeely admit that nothing even comes light years within touching any self ascribed, "heroic" affilliation with actual Spartan warriors, via all the earliest propoganda from the "Army" of Leonidas Care for some repostings from some/any of that nonsense?... just for some serious laughs?

700UW: "My flying was DOH" Yep. It's a true pity that that's just "not good enough" for some..and here we all are as the result.....

 

[BoeingBoy]

700UW: "My flying was DOH" Yep. It's a true pity that that's just "not good enough" for some..and here we all are as the result.....

Non-rev flying is by DOH within priority levels so I guess ya'll can put seniority integration behind you now

Jim

 

[nic4us]

700UW: "My flying was DOH" Yep. It's a true pity that that's just "not good enough" for some..and here we all are as the result.....

We are here as a result of one side attempting to divorce itself of its obligations, and enforce their own self-promoting agenda, and it is so very true that is "not good enough" for some others.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

We are here as a result of one side attempting to divorce itself of its obligations, and enforce their own self-promoting agenda, and it is so very true that is "not good enough" for some others.

So why don't you stop then?

 

[cleardirect]

So why don't you stop then?

Really.

Could you explain what obligation that we are not living up to. What agreements?

 

[EastUS]

Really.

Could you explain what obligation that we are not living up to. What agreements?

That's pretty basic = your obligation to "fellow pilots' in your same trade and craft, not to mention your tacit agreements as fellow human beings to even attempt some slight degree of respect for others of your species...and don't bother to respond if it's difficult, since I fully realize just exactly how "righteous", noble and "integrity" ridden your holy cause of personally seeking to have your 11 years magically made "senior" to another pilot's 22+ years truly is...and I find it nauseating. The full summation of the entire westie positon amounts to nothing more than, (as so well put by your very own "Leonidas")..."I want the captain seat..and most of all, I want every single east pilot to pay for it". Anything you might care to add to that's pure spin and wholesale BS, meant only to cloak such vile greed in terms you can presumably, somehow live with.

No matter really, as I seriously doubt that you'll ever get your precious nic gift made into functional reality in any event, in any reasonably forseeable future..period. Call us all the very first moment that you and your "Leonidas" types ever actually get "the captain seat" out east.."and most of all" make "every single east pilot pay for it"

 

[nic4us]

So why don't you stop then?

Why don't I stop what?

Stop honoring my committments. Stop living up to my agreements. Start seeking my own advancement by taking from my fellow employees.

I suppose I could do that, then I would fit right in at USAPA.

On second thought, I will just remain apart from that organization.

But, in regard to wether the mechanics, or F/A's, or dispatchers, got DOH. I have another to add.

The CEO's got DOH, as did all upper management ( which about 80% has AWA on their resume) and that DOH is the same for all of them, they are all listed in every financial description as with the company since 2005. Yes. Parker, Kirby, Lakefield, all have the exact same DOH.

Perhaps that is the solution, we go DOH and everyone has the same DOH. Our seniority is determined by the position we held pre-merger. Wait.. USAPA would never buy off on that because it would look exactly like the NIC, and would foil their plans of taking what they did not have pre-merger.

Okay, I know, we determine seniority by our 2005 W2. No that would not work either because it would also closely resemble the NIC.

I got it, we determine our seniority by submitting to binding arbitration..?????

but I digress..."so why don't I stop then"?

 

[EastUS]

Stop honoring my committments. Stop living up to my agreements. Start seeking my own advancement by taking from my fellow employees.

Naturally; I am once more, overcome with the inherent "nobility" and boundless "integrity" of the west.and I must properly bow before such in complete awe ...umm...perhaps with just some slight residual confusion from the "I want the captain seat..and most of all, I want every single east pilot to pay for it"???... Shall we breifly revisit the impressive little bit about "Start seeking my own advancement by taking from my fellow employees"?

Thanks for the laugh. Sigh..time to go back to business. Have a great day.

 

[BoeingBoy]

seeking to have your 11 years magically made "senior" to another pilot's 22+ years

I hate to break it to you, but that 11 year pilot had more seniority at HP than the 22 year pilot had at "old" US - nothing magical about it. As someone else has said, it's all about return on investment - the HP pilot got a better return on his/her 11 year investment than the "old" US pilot got on their 22 years.

You just want the bigger return of the HP pilot traded for the smaller return of the "old" US pilot because...well...because the "old" US pilots are magically entitled to it.

Jim

 

[EastUS]

I hate to break it to you, ...

"I hate to break it to you"...But; I honestly believe and value real world seniority and experience (even yours) ..and your "relative" notions concern me not at all, nor your standard implications that I somehow want ANYTHING from the west pilots on any personal level. Given that you're a long established champion of "relative" seniority..especially when you personally stood to profit from such insane BS with the Piedmont merger....your outlook that all others must be equally motivated by such selfishness, and your obvious allegiance to the side which fully favors that...fails to surprise in the slightest. I'd respectfully suggest eschewing further "You just want" BS as you've no vantage point within my mind...and your projections in that area merely speak to your own notions.

 

[ussnark]

I hate to break it to you, but that 11 year pilot had more seniority at HP than the 22 year pilot had at "old" US - nothing magical about it. As someone else has said, it's all about return on investment - the HP pilot got a better return on his/her 11 years than the "old" US pilot got on their 22 years.

You just want bigger return of the HP pilot traded for the smaller return of the "old" US pilot because...well...because the "old" US pilots are magically entitled to it.

Jim

No, the "old" US pilots, ahem, earned it, something you never had to do. Projecting your feelings of entitlement on everyone else will not float, especially in light of the shenanigans pulled by ALPA, tossing the east pilots under a bus just to hide their perfidy with the MDA pilots is just one of many.

and, about ROI. I find that in the world of finance, a simple snapshot hardly conveys much information, the entire picture must be analyzed before any such conclusion can be derived, the post "de-regulation" era making airline life volatile in the extreme. In fact, waiting two years, according to filed documentation, would have found US east making tremendous amounts of money (especially not having to support the west) and the boat anchor west, furloughing pilots. Would you buy stock based on a single snapshot?

 

[tazz]

In fact, waiting two years, according to filed documentation, would have found US east making tremendous amounts of money (especially not having to support the west) and the boat anchor west, furloughing pilots. Would you buy stock based on a single snapshot?

Did you read that filed documentation? I did. Had you waited two years all you would have seen would be hundreds of dust covered bankruptcy blue aircraft parked in the boneyard.

Glad to see you and eastus sitll around saying absolutely nothing with a whole bunch of words.