US Pilots Labor Thread 3/18-3/25-MUST READ FIRST POST

[Metroyet]

Pilots don't blame themselves for their seniority. Pilots only have themselves to blame for paying dues to contradictions.

So you don't have a problem with the 1500 or so West guys NOT paying dues now? Now their on the Righteous side? It's now a noble thing NOT to pay the lawyers on the OPPOSING side hell bent on ONES' OWN destruction?

If that's what you're claiming...we agree.

 

[Phoenix]

So you don't have a problem with the 1500 or so West guys NOT paying dues now? Now their on the Righteous side? It's now a noble thing NOT to pay the lawyers on the OPPOSING side hell bent on ONES' OWN destruction?

If that's what you're claiming...we agree.

It is not likely that we agree since your proposition does not acknowledge or spring forth from the same premise.

Cheers.

 

[tazz]

I just wanted to remind all you "good union pilots" in good standing to

VOTE FOR CLEARY IN THE RUNOFF!!!!!

We need his ongoing USAPA brand of vision and guidance to ensure our bright futures.

I think I'm gonna barf!!!

 

[tazz]

Maybe.

Judge the resolve of the east pilots by the fact that we are ready to go there rather than accept yet another concession to a company and a group of employees who "hate" us.

Let the chips fall where they may. Maybe once the company and that other employee group understands that we are ready for that scenario, they will have a change of attitude and tactic.

And, when it is all over: There is life after USAirways. (That's the dirty little secret that the company hoped we would never discover. It has served them well over the last 10 years. But the the jig, as they say. is UP!)

Sounds like a threat to me. Parker, are you listening? Unbelievably childish! Nothing, however, would surprise me coming from the east. We rookies have so much to learn from our superior bretheren!

 

[nycbusdriver]

Sounds like a threat to me. Parker, are you listening? Unbelievably childish! Nothing, however, would surprise me coming from the east. We rookies have so much to learn from our superior bretheren!

"Let the chips fall where they may" is a threat? Interesting take on the English language.

 

[luvn737s]

Maybe.

Judge the resolve of the east pilots by the fact that we are ready to go there rather than accept yet another concession to a company and a group of employees who "hate" us.

Let the chips fall where they may. Maybe once the company and that other employee group understands that we are ready for that scenario, they will have a change of attitude and tactic.

And, when it is all over: There is life after USAirways. (That's the dirty little secret that the company hoped we would never discover. It has served them well over the last 10 years. But the the jig, as they say. is UP!)

Pardon me if I find the threat of self-help over a percieved seniority injustice, from a group that has clung to the lowest paying major airline job, to be somewhat un-credible. Let's look at how to move forward post-decision rather than thumping hollow chests.

 

[Pacemaker]

It would seem to me that if having your pensions taken away wasn't enough for you all to say "enough's enough" and shut it down, then nothing will do the trick.

 

[cleardirect]

Maybe.

Judge the resolve of the east pilots by the fact that we are ready to go there rather than accept yet another concession to a company and a group of employees who "hate" us.

Let the chips fall where they may. Maybe once the company and that other employee group understands that we are ready for that scenario, they will have a change of attitude and tactic.

And, when it is all over: There is life after USAirways. (That's the dirty little secret that the company hoped we would never discover. It has served them well over the last 10 years. But the the jig, as they say. is UP!)

I guess this is what is called brinkmanship. There are other words for what you are describing. Extortion comes to mind, intimidation, blackmail.

You point out the resolve of the east. Have you noticed the resolve coming from the west?

When you say “ready to go thereâ€￾ I understand that you mean that you and the east are willing to shut down the company if you do not get what you want. Full pay to the last day right. Kind of a selfish attitude considering there are 35,000 other employees that work at us airways. Now you want all of them to pay for your greed. Talk about putting a gun to everyone’s head and demanding what is not yours.

Perhaps you could threaten the rest of the employee groups into paying a little protection money to keep the east pilots from shutting down the airline.

That you are willing to blow up yourself and the company. In order to achieve something that you were not able to achieve otherwise. What behavior would you call that?

The change of attitude and tactics are going to have to come from the east. From the beginning the west has only wanted what everyone agreed to. What ever the arbitrator decided. All of this has been because the east has wanted to have it your way. Very soon a federal judge is going to decide the fate of this pilot group. Then I guess that the east pilots are going to have to decide the fate of 35,000 employees.

Just so you are not tempted to say that is not what you are talking about. This is the post you were responding to .

That sounds more like a page from the US management playbook, not a union tactic........blame anything but themselves for the bad decisions they have made.....

I just hope for the sake of the other employees at US, there can be some kind of resolution to this issue in the near future. If things continue like this, unfortunately, I see the end game not too far away, and when they break up the company or shut it down, my friends, you can rest assured they will blame the pilots' dispute for the downfall of the company. And with CO moving to Star in the fall, there is less need for US Airways in that alliance--so the breakup may not be too far away..and it does appear that US is the most vulnerable traditional carrier overall right now.

Is there NO acceptable solution where EVERYONE gives up something but you all get to keep your jobs?

If only management was as passionate about running an airline as you guys and gals are about your respective positions in this dispute.........

 

[Metroyet]

I think I'm gonna barf!!!

C'mon!!! With leadership like his, the West's case makes itself!! I say Keep it up!

 

[nycbusdriver]

Pardon me if I find the threat of self-help over a percieved seniority injustice, from a group that has clung to the lowest paying major airline job, to be somewhat un-credible. Let's look at how to move forward post-decision rather than thumping hollow chests.

Who said ANYTHING about self-help. Are you following the thread? (The posts are numbered, if that helps.)

 

[Ardenian]

There is life after USAirways. (That's the dirty little secret that the company hoped we would never discover.

There IS more to life than our "favorite" employer, but before you jump. you have to get your arms around the fact that the mgmnt style of Tempe is more prevalent and pervsive than you might think.

 

[Phoenix]

There IS more to life than our "favorite" employer, but before you jump. you have to get your arms around the fact that the mgmnt style of Tempe is more prevalent and pervsive than you might think.

Management is only part of the issue. Management combined with a slavish seniority system that prevents any compensation or promotion for extraordinary work (and is a ball and chain) is a recipe for exploitive disasters.

Jumping isn't nearly as dangerous as meeting Casper the ghost in a dark alley. But Whinny the Pooh siting across the table at an interview... sheez, there is intimidation.

 

[UtterlyUdder]

So, how about we start off with a poll: How many of you Eastside bretheren believe that Nicolau was "paid off" by ALPA?

Here's a little help to get it started:

1. Usapa Dues Collection Chairman.
2.
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4.

Do you really think that in the current climate in this country that isn't a possibility?

 

[UtterlyUdder]

You mean the 517 who were pretty much all captains at USAir/Piedmont/PSA before America West even saw the light of day?

The 517 who have had 28 plus years of uninterrupted service with this airline?

Those 517 got a free pass by not having someone who was in diapers when we were flying commercially jump in front of us to fly Rome as captain on the A330?

Those 517?

Busdriver, they just don't get it and they won't until the fat lady sings. Seniority only means something to the West if it is only their seniority. Otherwise, seniority to them is a dirty word. :down:

BTW, I love underpants name, so sign me

lace undies

 

[luvn737s]

U2-

The word you're looking for is "longevity". 10 years of longevity bought a captain's seat at AWA and a lineholding F/O at USAir, though they were equally senior at their respective airlines. Nicolau grasped this, and I would expect that Judge Wake will also.