US Pilots Labor Discussion

[767jetz]

Loved your comments how your little mission is driven by USAirways pilots and your merger. I say you are an ALPA plant, and most likely were turned down years ago for employment. Your time here on this board is proof of it. It is not normal in any way. If anyone is desperate, it is you.

OK. I want to make sure I got this straight according to your bizzaro-world thought process. Not only am I planted here by ALPA to monitor a dozen malcontent, militant USAPA supporters of DOH, and paid by ALPA to do so (because your collective opinions are SOOOO important to ALPA)... But I was also a US Air pilot wanna-be who was turned down years ago by the dregs of the industry, only to pursue a successful career at my second and third choice airlines, TWA and United.



THUMP! .........

Sorry. That was the sound of me falling off my chair.

Riiiiiight. OK. Lets take a vote. Anyone else buying this?

You know, narcissism is curable with the proper treatment. Here's a dose of reality: What's "not normal in any way" is to care so much about the motivations of others on an anonymous public chat board. Ever notice how the east pilots are the only ones who ever bring up the subject of a persons time on this board and accuse them of suspect motives, and only when the said pilots run out of ammunition and can't debate the facts? THERE's your proof, Sherlock. Pure and utter desperation to shift focus from the subjects at hand. Show me the last time any west supporter showed the slightest interest in who you are or why you are here. The only thing your opponents (including me) care about is illuminating your scandal for the world (and the courts) to see. The only thing you seem to care about is silencing the opposition.

Blast away junior. Just remember... sticks and stones...

 

[Code Name V]

Riiiiiight. OK. Lets take a vote. Anyone else buying this?



It's much more plausible than anything else that could makes sense as to why someone with no dog in the fight, from another airline no less would waste so much time and energy on someone elses weboard.

Of course the other option is that you have no life whatsoever and love to read about yourself like the Munster.

Either way, it's a pretty sorry statement you make of yourself.

V

 

[PullUp]

That these guys did nothing wrong.

Ahem. I beg to differ with the 'nothing wrong' part. I don't think it was a capital offense, but company policy was certainly violated, both by company officials and employees.
AOL had no right to access or possess the information, and they should be made to at least cease using the information and destroy what they obtained.
Also, the privacy of everyone on the list was violated and possibly compromised - and if that isn't a crime, it should be.
Every company or organization out there has a privacy policy that is disclosed to their customers, clients, or members. I would imagine almost none of the east group has voluntarily signed up for AOL mailings.
However, the privacy policy of the company has been communicated to its employees, and part of that agreement is to safeguard that information and prevent it from becoming public.
It seems the company could be liable if anyone has a loss due to id theft....
For exposing the company to that liability (nothing wrong with that?), there should be disciplinary action at least.
Cheers.

 

[767jetz]

Loved your comments how your little mission is driven by USAirways pilots and your merger.

Interesting how you just out-ed yourself. So I guess you were hired after the 2000 acquisition attempt of USAir by MY airline. Otherwise you would have referred to it as OUR merger.

Now it makes sense. So you were pretty deep on the furlough list with your 17 year co-workers, making you a member of the AFO club.

(See... I can play the "who are you and what is your motivation" game as well. Pretty pointless though.)

Facts are facts. The law is the law. Odds are pretty high that the courts will set all of this straight, Nic will prevail (reinforcing binding arbitration as a viable solution in legal disputes), and LOA93 will be the reality until it happens. The only variable is the time line.

 

[767jetz]

Riiiiiight. OK. Lets take a vote. Anyone else buying this?

It's much more plausible than anything else that could makes sense as to why someone with no dog in the fight, from another airline no less would waste so much time and energy on someone elses weboard.

V

Typical east pilot, looking through a tunnel. "No dog in this fight" is your OPINION. An uninformed one at that. I've already explained the several dogs I have. Not the least of which is legal precedent that can have an effect on MY ongoing merger and upcoming seniority integration, as well as any future consolidation. The successful conclusion of your SLI battle, with the Nic prevailing, is in the best interest of everyone in this industry except the east pilots.

Isn't it you guys who keep digging for legal precedent in past mergers to support your position? What do you think the next group of malcontent pilots will do if binding arbitration is not final in the USA/AWA merger?

But don't let the facts get in your way either. Especially since your version (the one that supports your point of view) is the only plausible one.

As for some of my other stated "dogs," I'll use the words of your very on Pi brat. "Never forget."

 

[doh nogo]

OK. I want to make sure I got this straight according to your bizzaro-world thought process. Not only am I planted here by ALPA to monitor a dozen malcontent, militant USAPA supporters of DOH, and paid by ALPA to do so (because your collective opinions are SOOOO important to ALPA)... But I was also a US Air pilot wanna-be who was turned down years ago by the dregs of the industry, only to pursue a successful career at my second and third choice airlines, TWA and United.



THUMP! .........

Sorry. That was the sound of me falling off my chair.

Riiiiiight. OK. Lets take a vote. Anyone else buying this?

100% on the money, 767jetz.

luvthe9 and Code Name V are delusional. Just one more conspiracy. Amazing that they see themselves as "normal." :blink:

 

[Phoenix]

OK. I want to make sure I got this straight according to your bizzaro-world thought process. Not only am I planted here by ALPA to monitor a dozen malcontent, militant USAPA supporters of DOH, and paid by ALPA to do so (because your collective opinions are SOOOO important to ALPA)... But I was also a US Air pilot wanna-be who was turned down years ago by the dregs of the industry, only to pursue a successful career at my second and third choice airlines, TWA and United.....

Who knows what causes your obsession with USAir, but your undying need for attention (coupled with your exaggerated assertions that you need no affection from us) is something a professional could explore with you for a moderate cost. Post away... I'll be checking in on you once in a while to see how you are doing. And don't forget, we love you just the way you are.

 

[doh nogo]

AOL had no right to access or possess the information, and they should be made to at least cease using the information and destroy what they obtained.
Also, the privacy of everyone on the list was violated and possibly compromised - and if that isn't a crime, it should be.

Privacy is violated every day in this country. Privacy is an illusion. I get junk mail all the time from people I did not give my information to and did not give specific permission to. So do you. Ever get a ticket in the mail from a camera? Ever see the traffic monitoring cameras they show on the news with driver's picking their nose? That's a violation of privacy if I ever saw it. There is so much information available about each of us in this country. Not saying it's right. But if no laws were broken, then they did nothing wrong. Until it is proven, they did nothing wrong. Innocent until PROVEN guilty. Not just accused by USAPA and Cleary.

Yes things like SS #'s and such are more sensitive than traffic cameras. But if that info was obtained accidentally and not used for identity theft, and no laws were broken, then again... they did nothing wrong. Why are you guys so quick to condemn any perceived wrong doing before letting the process play out. If they broke a law they will have consequences. If they broke a company policy, there may be consequences. And for the record, USAPA has a responsibility to them to defend against any company imposed discipline. The whole DFR thing again. It's the union's PRIMARY job. It's supposedly why we pay dues.

 

[Phoenix]

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Facts are facts. The law is the law. Odds are pretty high that the courts will set all of this straight, Nic will prevail (reinforcing binding arbitration as a viable solution in legal disputes), and LOA93 will be the reality until it happens. The only variable is the time line.

Internal union dispute.

 

[767jetz]

Who knows what causes your obsession with USAir

You do. It's been explained enough times. If you choose not to believe what you've been told, that is your prerogative.

but your undying need for attention (coupled with your exaggerated assertions that you need no affection from us) is something a professional could explore with you for a moderate cost.

Noted. I'll put a call in today.

And don't forget, we love you just the way you are.

Thanks. The feeling is mutual.

 

[767jetz]

Internal union dispute.

We'll see. Time will tell.

IMO the odds are against you.

 

[CactusPilot1]

I totally agree with the PHX reps' timeline. It's not pretty, but likely half of the east pilots will be age-65 retired before this settles out in court. And hundreds more before a contract is signed. That's assuming LCC is even alive by then.

I think hell has just frozen over, NYC. I actually agree with your post and the timeline. This Baby Boomer will probably not be alive by the time this is settled. :unsure:

 

[cactusboy53]

Wait a minute. Do these guys represent the people that post on here? This sure is a different story than "live on LOA 93 until you die", "I'm happy with what I have", and one of my favorites "we get full pay for cancellations and crew meals!".

UNSUSTAINABLE! or happy. Which is it? B)

Pi;
I think the insinuation is that presently Contract 2004 is something that all the AWA pilot group are "happy to live with" until such time that 600 - 800 of your closest friends feel that they can not live with LOA 93 any longer.

The "UNSUSTAINABLE" portion of the PHX update pertains to the labor quagmire that we are in. The frustration is for the following:

• The AAA pilot group refuses to accept the product of a final & binding arbitration process.
• The same pilot group has done EVERYTHING in thier power to delay and obfuscate the contract negotiation process (while screaming to everyone that it's not their fault).
• The AWA pilot group is forced to defend its seniority position legally (while being forced to fund the AAA pilot's coup' under the auspices of USAPA).
• The company has chosen to let the courts do their work for them. As a wonderful door prize, this event will take YEARS to conclude in the courts. This means that the company will be able to benefit from your low LOA 93 contract wages for as long as you choose to work for those wages.
• Further, the company has for the past 4+ years conducted business as usual, and thinks they can continue to do so without consequence.

In other words something is going to have to give; The courts, the company, the east pilot group or the west pilot group. The courts move at their pace and no one else's. The company will not jump in unless there is a financial reason to do so (you know...like a perceived labor threat, etc.). That leaves your group & our group.

 

[nevergiveup]

Pi;
I think the insinuation is that presently Contract 2004 is something that all the AWA pilot group are "happy to live with" until such time that 600 - 800 of your closest friends feel that they can not live with LOA 93 any longer.

The "UNSUSTAINABLE" portion of the PHX update pertains to the labor quagmire that we are in. The frustration is for the following:

• The AAA pilot group refuses to accept the product of a final & binding arbitration process.
• The same pilot group has done EVERYTHING in thier power to delay and obfuscate the contract negotiation process (while screaming to everyone that it's not their fault).
• The AWA pilot group is forced to defend its seniority position legally (while being forced to fund the AAA pilot's coup' under the auspices of USAPA).
• The company has chosen to let the courts do their work for them. As a wonderful door prize, this event will take YEARS to conclude in the courts. This means that the company will be able to benefit from your low LOA 93 contract wages for as long as you choose to work for those wages.
• Further, the company has for the past 4+ years conducted business as usual, and thinks they can continue to do so without consequence.

In other words something is going to have to give; The courts, the company, the east pilot group or the west pilot group. The courts move at their pace and no one else's. The company will not jump in unless there is a financial reason to do so (you know...like a perceived labor threat, etc.). That leaves your group & our group.

Welcome to the Airlines!

 

[A320 Driver]

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