US Pilots Labor Discussion 9/23- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[Phoenix]

You're living in the past.

USAirways East is the worst place now and USAPA supporters are working hard to keep it that way.

Who can recount the glory days of ALPA...? Oh, those were the good ol' days! I sit in the dark, close my eyes and remember lobster and caviar on FPL. Its my happy place!

Oh, pardon me, back to living in the present.

 

[traderjake]

Who can recount the glory days of ALPA...? Oh, those were the good ol' days! I sit in the dark, close my eyes and remember lobster and caviar on FPL. Its my happy place!

Oh, pardon me, back to living in the present.

If you're implying I was an ALPA official once again you're wrong.

I've been to a total of 3 ALPA meetings.

Go back to your happy place void of reality.

 

[767jetz]

But if a judge says USAPA has to use the Nic after appeals are exhausted, I suspect you'd see enough East pilots thinking "We gave it a try but lost so show me the money" to pass a contract.

I agree 100%.

I also think that the more petty the squabbles on this forum get, the more likely it is that USAPA and the propaganda machine are running out of steam. IMO we are coming into the home stretch.

 

[Freebird]

I agree 100%.

I also think that the more petty the squabbles on this forum get, the more likely it is that USAPA and the propaganda machine are running out of steam. IMO we are coming into the home stretch.

I'll freshen it up a bit. Here's some of the East Homegrown "problems" that they can fix at ANY TIME with a CONTRACT. Where is it Cleary? Where is YOUR Raise? Until you put up a contact to vote on, quit whining in your 'Updates".

FROM USAPA:

Open Enrollment season is upon us, and for East pilots it serves as yet another reminder that Management will exploit the $9 billion we gave them to continue enriching themselves long beyond the immediate needs they had several years ago. The NAC reports that anytime a topic arises where parity is indicated, Management’s response is the same: They are not interested in parity outside a joint contract. It’s a convenient, over-used response that should indicate to you just how little they care about you and your family.

For 2011, East pilots will pay roughly double (in some cases more) what West pilots pay each month for health insurance. For the top-level plan, a West pilot pays $270 monthly premiums, while an East pilot will need to fork over $559 to cover a family. That’s a difference of $3,468 a year -- no small sum for a pilot living on E190 pay, which qualifies them for food stamps in many states.

On top of our industry-worst pay, on top of our industry-worst vacation allowance, and on top of our stolen pensions, Management sees fit to continue the shakedown of our monthly pay by refusing us parity on these benefits which are so critical to the care of our families.
USAPA Communications


USAPA = Holding EVERYONE hostage. :huh:

Usapa says "It’s a convenient, over-used response that should indicate to you just how little they care about you and your family."
Was this in reference to the East pilots vs the West Pilots? Or how little Usapa cares about the West?

 

[Freebird]

Who can recount the glory days of ALPA...? Oh, those were the good ol' days! I sit in the dark, close my eyes and remember lobster and caviar on FPL. Its my happy place!

Oh, pardon me, back to living in the present.

Now you just sit in the dark, alone. Good plan. You're really showing us.

Next time you should follow the path of INTEGRITY and you'd be a lot better off. Instead your cowardly union is holding your future earning hostage and you are rooting them on. Good plan.

Usapa = We're losing ground...

 

[767jetz]

Usapa says "It’s a convenient, over-used response that should indicate to you just how little they care about you and your family."
Was this in reference to the East pilots vs the West Pilots? Or how little Usapa cares about the West?

Apparently so. It's amazing how they complain about all this, yet are unwilling to address pay parities WITHIN a JCBA including the Nic. I agree... stop complaining until you get a JCBA. Until then it's a consequence of your own decisions. Live with it.

Funny thing is, in their communications they actually illustrate how much the east is losing every day they delay the inevitable outcome. Not to mention legal costs and assessments which they don't like to harp on. What about the junior f/o's who claim they don't care about the senior east pilots who "had their day" bellying up to the trough? I guess they care about the other pilot's families just as little as USAPA claims the company cares. So much for honoring the senior guys for their time invested. The hypocrisy and entitlement is hard to miss. I think it's quiet here because many of the east pilots are losing patience with USAPA and the hardliners who have held everyone hostage, and that sentiment is resonating throughout the entire pilot population. (IMO of course.)

One last observation... when there is no significant new news, and the current balance of power within the legal process is leaning toward the west, the west quietly stand by an focus on the process. There is relatively little rhetoric. But when the wind shifts toward the east, even temporarily, this forum becomes a hotbed of propaganda, anger, and personal attacks. I for one enjoy the relative peace around here. Can't wait to hear something from Judge Wake's courtroom. Hopefully it will move the process along significantly.

 

[nic4us]

FROM USAPA:

Open Enrollment season is upon us, and for East pilots it serves as yet another reminder that Management will exploit the $9 billion we gave them to continue enriching themselves long beyond the immediate needs they had several years ago. The NAC reports that anytime a topic arises where parity is indicated, Management’s response is the same: They are not interested in parity outside a joint contract. It’s a convenient, over-used response that should indicate to you just how little they care about you and your family.

For 2011, East pilots will pay roughly double (in some cases more) what West pilots pay each month for health insurance. For the top-level plan, a West pilot pays $270 monthly premiums, while an East pilot will need to fork over $559 to cover a family. That’s a difference of $3,468 a year -- no small sum for a pilot living on E190 pay, which qualifies them for food stamps in many states.

On top of our industry-worst pay, on top of our industry-worst vacation allowance, and on top of our stolen pensions, Management sees fit to continue the shakedown of our monthly pay by refusing us parity on these benefits which are so critical to the care of our families.
USAPA Communications


USAPA = Holding EVERYONE hostage. :huh:

Usapa says "It’s a convenient, over-used response that should indicate to you just how little they care about you and your family."
Was this in reference to the East pilots vs the West Pilots? Or how little Usapa cares about the West?

Upon their successful election, West Mec chairman J. Mac., sent S. Bradford a letter stating the West had petitioned for Sect 6 negotiations, and that the West wanted usapa to follow thru on that petition.

Bradfords response,,,,,held the exact same sentiment that the company's response to usapa's tired request for parity contains.

We are only interested in a joint contract.

The way I see it, you make your bed, you sleep in it.

 

[Phoenix]

Now you just sit in the dark, alone. Good plan. You're really showing us.

Next time you should follow the path of INTEGRITY and you'd be a lot better off. Instead your cowardly union is holding your future earning hostage and you are rooting them on. Good plan.

Usapa = We're losing ground...

Alas, alack.. oh for the good ol' days when ALPA took care of everything and even ensured we all had more integrity than anyone else in all circumstances. Oh how good it would be if we still had ALPA providing us with integrity badges, integrity pins, and integrity bumper stickers. Now I just sit in the dark cold room wondering why USAPA can't afford integrity lamps and integrity heating.

 

[luvn737s]

Was AWA ever the place to be, I mean if there were other places available?

You mean when they were hiring furloughed pilots directly into the left seat? You mean when the CEO would let a line pilot come into his office and write that pilot an advance on his pay to cover a personal emergency? You mean when it was an airline willing to take risks like running a shuttle bus service to Scottsdale to pick up passengers, or have daycare available at the hangar for parents who were called out on a trip? You mean the airline that had the largest aircraft painting facility in the Southwest? You mean an airline that had the mojo to build from essentially nothing into the only airline to survive continuous head-on competition with Southwest for 20+ years only to become irrevocably welded to the airline that Southwest has successfully used as a punching bag and kicked out of virtually every hub they have wanted to dominate?

If you are asking if AWA was the highest paying airline, I think we both know the answer to that.

I"m talking about an airline that had tremendous potential up until 5 years ago, when all the dreams and effort to build such an airline were flushed down the toilet

 

[Pi brat]

You mean when they were hiring furloughed pilots directly into the left seat? You mean when the CEO would let a line pilot come into his office and write that pilot an advance on his pay to cover a personal emergency? You mean when it was an airline willing to take risks like running a shuttle bus service to Scottsdale to pick up passengers, or have daycare available at the hangar for parents who were called out on a trip? You mean the airline that had the largest aircraft painting facility in the Southwest? You mean an airline that had the mojo to build from essentially nothing into the only airline to survive continuous head-on competition with Southwest for 20+ years only to become irrevocably welded to the airline that Southwest has successfully used as a punching bag and kicked out of virtually every hub they have wanted to dominate?

If you are asking if AWA was the highest paying airline, I think we both know the answer to that.

I"m talking about an airline that had tremendous potential up until 5 years ago, when all the dreams and effort to build such an airline were flushed down the toilet

Just asking, because I don't know anybody that picked it first. You didn't really answer, did you?

 

[Metroyet]

Just asking, because I don't know anybody that picked it first. You didn't really answer, did you?

Maybe you don't. I don't know anybody old enough to have actually WANTED to work for US Air either. It's a bit of an anachronism.

 

[A320 Driver]

You mean when they were hiring furloughed pilots directly into the left seat? You mean when the CEO would let a line pilot come into his office and write that pilot an advance on his pay to cover a personal emergency? You mean when it was an airline willing to take risks like running a shuttle bus service to Scottsdale to pick up passengers, or have daycare available at the hangar for parents who were called out on a trip? You mean the airline that had the largest aircraft painting facility in the Southwest? You mean an airline that had the mojo to build from essentially nothing into the only airline to survive continuous head-on competition with Southwest for 20+ years only to become irrevocably welded to the airline that Southwest has successfully used as a punching bag and kicked out of virtually every hub they have wanted to dominate?

If you are asking if AWA was the highest paying airline, I think we both know the answer to that.

I"m talking about an airline that had tremendous potential up until 5 years ago, when all the dreams and effort to build such an airline were flushed down the toilet

Those were the days!!!!!

Probably before the Buisiness School grads took over and showed us how a company was REALLY supposed to work. Too bad it didn't last. Many good memories from my PI days as well. Sounds like a great place to work.

Driver B)

 

[Freebird]

Those were the days!!!!!

Probably before the Buisiness School grads took over and showed us how a company was REALLY supposed to work. Too bad it didn't last. Many good memories from my PI days as well. Sounds like a great place to work.

Driver B)

This site is getting dull. I'd like to refresh the mood a bit with a topic.

"The Failure of USAPA to get a contact" discuss...

or

"How much more do other airlines make than an East pilot? (because the East wont get us a contract)"



USAPA = USA Pickleball Association, always in a pickle.....ho hum

 

[767jetz]

This site is getting dull. I'd like to refresh the mood a bit with a topic.

Now, now... no baiting. 😉

Enjoy the calm while it lasts. When sentences expire (ie: the corn field) I'm sure things will heat up again.

In the mean time, anyone have any internal updates or communication they can share with us?

To your pay question, I just heard that UA ALPA has agreed to move the original date of requesting mediation from October 14th to December 17th since they feel that JCBA negotiations with the company are progressing satisfactorily. So it will probably be close to the end of the year before we hear how much higher we have raised the bar. While pay is only one section, I did hear through the grape vine that it will be "well north" of Delta's rates. Hopefully this will help when and if you guys ever get a contract.

 

[Freebird]

Now, now... no baiting. 😉

Enjoy the calm while it lasts. When sentences expire (ie: the corn field) I'm sure things will heat up again.

In the mean time, anyone have any internal updates or communication they can share with us?

To your pay question, I just heard that UA ALPA has agreed to move the original date of requesting mediation from October 14th to December 17th since they feel that JCBA negotiations with the company are progressing satisfactorily. So it will probably be close to the end of the year before we hear how much higher we have raised the bar. While pay is only one section, I did hear through the grape vine that it will be "well north" of Delta's rates. Hopefully this will help when and if you guys ever get a contract.

Unfortunately USAPA isnt interested in getting a contract. they are more interested in blaming everyone else for their lack of anything. Read the latest update. Complaining about how everyone else has it better than they do. Hello!!! They do. You can only blame yourselves. Geniuses.

USAPA = Our costs are higher and pay is lower. Enjoy.