US Pilots Labor Discussion 9/23- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[mikey60]

Nicolau did follow ALPA merger policy very closely. YOS did not play a role in merger policy. Pilots of disparate YOS and equal seniority does not fit the definition of a windfall in a merger. Seniority is like currency. That currency should buy you approximately what you could buy before. If all your 20 years got you was a right seat in an A320, that's what your new number should afford you.

When you exchange dollars for Euros you may end up with a different number, but you should be able to buy approximately the same amount of product. You can't go to the exchange window and claim that since it took you 20 years to accumulate your dollars, you should get a better exchange rate than the guy who acumulated the same amount in a shorter time. Maybe he just invested his time and money more wisely. Maybe he was just luckier. Maybe he had a rich uncle. The exchange rate remains the same.

Furloughed is furloughed. Junior reserve f/o is junior reserve f/o. Senior line holding captain is senior line holding captain. Trying to get more than what you had the day before the merger, based on some irrelevant metric that happens to favor you... now THAT's a windfall. Plain and simple.

Let's try this with DOH, If you have 20 years of seniority and you hold c/o block holder on a 320 and you merge with a company and their pilots are somewhat lower seniority, so now you are a 330 c/o block holder. DONE. Skip the rest of that dribble and use the yen in your next example.

USAPA= reality

 

[Benz M-100]

Seniority is like currency.

Oh great, the "currency" analogy. Again.

NO SALE!

 

[hp_fa]

By your own admission, you didn't bring anything to this table...You may be excused.

I am having trouble understanding what it is you are trying to say. Could you please clarify what it is you are trying to express?

 

[nic4us]

Yea and throw the 1500 or so F/Os here under the bus. A disguting notion.
NPJB

Nobody gets thrown under the bus with the Nic.

It is time for a recap.

The Nicolau award was reached through binding arbitration and derived from the tenants of ALPA merger policy.

No side was given a windfall at the expense of the other. Position and status where maintained within the combined group to reflect what they were in the seperate groups.

These false accusations of a windfall for the West, or that the east pilots get thrown under the bus, are nothing more than emotional responses to the continued denial of the east's untenable position.

The east has been told by every person of authority, at every twist and turn, and in no uncertain terms,You are not getting DOH. Yet after 5 years what is their continued toothless demand? DOH.

 

[mikey60]

Nobody gets thrown under the bus with the Nic.

It is time for a recap.

The Nicolau award was reached through binding arbitration and derived from the tenants of ALPA merger policy.

No side was given a windfall at the expense of the other. Position and status where maintained within the combined group to reflect what they were in the seperate groups.

These false accusations of a windfall for the West, or that the east pilots get thrown under the bus, are nothing more than emotional responses to the continued denial of the east's untenable position.

The east has been told by every person of authority, at every twist and turn, and in no uncertain terms,You are not getting DOH. Yet after 5 years what is their continued toothless demand? DOH.

Please refresh everyone's memory about these"persons of authority" or you still dwelling on that desert judge crap that doesn't exist anymore.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I am having trouble understanding what it is you are trying to say. Could you please clarify what it is you are trying to express?

That if someone is not a US pilot and havr an opinion contrary to the East position, you shouldn't post on this issue.

Jim

 

[hp_fa]

That if someone is not a US pilot and havr an opinion contrary to the East position, you shouldn't post on this issue.

Jim

In other words that poster, who doesn't own or moderate this public message board, is seemingly stating who can, or cannot, post opinions on this public message board? Did I get that right?

 

[KTM300]

I am having trouble understanding what it is you are trying to say. Could you please clarify what it is you are trying to express?

I am merely saying that Mr. 767jetz has said on numerous occasions that he does not work here. He made a statement about bringing something to the table. If he in fact does not work for USAirways (though his unusually high volume of post on the USAirways forum would indicate otherwise), I just politely excused him from the table

MODERATOR COMMENT: YOU DON'T GET TO PICK WHO CAN OR CANNOT PARTICIPATE AT THIS "TABLE" - THIS POST IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW TO LOSE YOUR POSTING PRIVILEGES

 

[767jetz]

Let's try this with DOH, If you have 20 years of seniority and you hold c/o block holder on a 320 and you merge with a company and their pilots are somewhat lower seniority, so now you are a 330 c/o block holder. DONE. Skip the rest of that dribble and use the yen in your next example.

USAPA= reality

Again... opinion. One not shared by the mutually agreed upon arbitrator, the neutrals, a jury, a couple of judges, west pilots, NWA pilots, DL pilots, CO pilots, UA pilots, AA pilots, and basically anyone outside of the USAPA inner circle and one longshoreman. But you are certainly entitled to you opinion. I won't even stoop to the level of personal attack and call it "dribble." (Although I think you meant to say drivel.)

 

[nic4us]

I am having trouble understanding what it is you are trying to say. Could you please clarify what it is you are trying to express?

I believe what KTM was saying, is that since jetz is not an LCC pilot, he brought nothing to the merger.

Then in a metaphorical analogy dismisses him from the dinner table as a parent would a child.

Again, highlighting a false sense of entitilement, as if he were in a position to dismiss anybody.

 

[hp_fa]

I am merely saying that Mr. 767jetz has said on numerous occasions that he does not work here.

I don't work "here" either.

 

[KTM300]

I don't work "here" either.

Well...did you bring dessert at least?

 

[Benz M-100]

These false accusations of a windfall for the West...

A guy hired 15 years after I was can slide in to any position ahead of me...and you don't think that's a windfall? Yeah, right, OK fine.

Yet after 5 years what is their continued toothless demand? DOH.

You may consider it toothless but I don't see anybody cutting in line ahead of me yet. Suits me just fine.

 

[scot]

By your own admission, you didn't bring anything to this table...You may be excused.

This is not a closed forum and is open to any and all members of the boards as long as they follow posting guidelines.

 

[mikey60]

Again... opinion. One not shared by the mutually agreed upon arbitrator, the neutrals, a jury, a couple of judges, west pilots, NWA pilots, DL pilots, CO pilots, UA pilots, AA pilots, and basically anyone outside of the USAPA inner circle and one longshoreman. But you are certainly entitled to you opinion. I won't even stoop to the level of personal attack and call it "dribble." (Although I think you meant to say drivel.)

GREAT jizz

No I said dribble, please check Websters. 1.to flow,or let flow,in drops. Tell us where you worked the ramp was it Pit or Jfk you have posted both? Probably still do.