US Pilots Labor Discussion 7/13- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[Pi brat]

I know no such thing. I'll take that bet for a tall Sam Adams. I'll bet that if the company offers the Delta contract + 1% (like what was perhaps offered recently???) with the Nic, it passes by AT LEAST 51%.

I'll bet the nearly complete TA that our ALPA MC members nearly had complete (90% or better!!!!) with the Spirit wages would pass by 57%.

What do you say? Let's put it up for a vote. I'm game if you are.

You guys just don't pay attention. Do you think Doug is going to offer up DL +1 anytime soon? Have you not heard him preach that we don't have DL type revenue, so we can't afford DL type costs? With the west pilots telling him at every turn that they will never support USAPA you don't have to worry about that bet anytime soon.

 

[Black Swan]

Actually the only entity you have to blame is yourselves.

You voted for every round of concessions and voted to approve them.

You would think grown men and women would accept responsibility for their actions. You the membership were ALPA.

And you elected the leadership who gave away your pension.

And we tossed the group that gave away the pension. Why did you "negotiate" away the cleaners? Actually, a lot of them were pretty nice guys. How did that happen?

 

[Black Swan]

In BK II everyone else had their pension terminated, so it reality you would have lost it anyhow.

Not absolutely true. I distinctly remember Judge Mitchell stating he wouldn't take ours. We had to do it ourselves. So our MEC did it. Then we trashed ALPA. get it?

 

[700UW]

I dont hate anyone, but I didnt forget how you ran and flew over our picket line in 1992.

 

[Black Swan]

Was Bill Pollock not a us air pilot? What airline did he work for? Did he make that decision all by himself?


This is your guy testifying. So did your MEC "give" it away or was it going to be taken with or without your vote? I have to ask. Why was it 2:00 in the morning? What was so time critical that he was negotiating at 2:00 in the morning? A big important decision like that I would want to have some sleep and be awake before doing that.

Could it be that the pension was gone with or without him? That he was trying to get the best deal he could holding a losing hand at the table?

Your pension was gone. Your company was in BK. You were not the only group to lose your pension. It is terrible but you guys are not special. the economy was bad, the stock market was bad and your company had no money to put in the pension fund. Investors were not going to dump money into a pension fund they would however put money into the airline. So you kept your jobs but not your pension. would you have prefered that us air went out of business AND lost your pension? You would have shown ALPA then right.

Clear, your Nicolau dream is fading away like the witch in the Wizard of Oz. Get a reality check. Prepare for life as a pilot who takes his place in line like every other stiff. The dream of line jumping is fast ending!

 

[700UW]

Not absolutely true. I distinctly remember Judge Mitchell stating he wouldn't take ours. We had to do it ourselves. So our MEC did it. Then we trashed ALPA. get it?

Lets see I was in the court room, were you?

In one fell swoop he terminated the IAM, AFA and the frozen non-union plan in Feb of 05.

That is a fact.

Your plan would have been terminated just like all the others.

 

[luvthe9]

Lets see I was in the court room, were you?

In one fell swoop he terminated the IAM, AFA and the frozen non-union plan in Feb of 05.

That is a fact.

Your plan would have been terminated just like all the others.

Then why did it come to the MEC to do it? Mitchell said he would not do it. Maybe ours was better funded than yours, and the others.And Mitchell saw it, Didn't think of that did you genius.

 

[700UW]

Your confusing the bankruptcies, yours was given away in the first case, the rest of the groups lost theirs in the second case.

Maybe you need to research history.

And the PBGC and Mitchell wouldnt have signed off on it if it didnt meet the requirements of a distress termination.

 

[luvthe9]

Lets see I was in the court room, were you?

In one fell swoop he terminated the IAM, AFA and the frozen non-union plan in Feb of 05.

That is a fact.

Your plan would have been terminated just like all the others.

How come the Soaring Eagles got theirs restored to 100% after fighting it? Gee, maybe the pilot pension was funded way better than the others. Mitchell did not, would not terminate the pilots pension. I bet you didn't know that did you. He said the pilots themselves had to do it. Get your facts straight next time. You obviously were not there, although you say you were.

 

[700UW]

He didnt terminate it but he had to sign off on ALPA agreeing to the termination, as it was part of the POR, bet you didnt know that did you?

Apparently you cant comprehend, I was there in the second case in the courtroom, Bankruptcy that was filed in 04 and he terminated the rest of the DBPs in 05.

How does crow taste?

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US Airways has met the financial standards for a distress termination of the defined benefit pension plan for its pilots, as determined by a decision rendered this evening by Judge Stephen S. Mitchell of the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the Eastern District of Virginia in Alexandria following the completion of a four day hearing.

The court's finding completes the requirements for the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC) to begin consideration of its separate approval process to formally terminate the existing pilot pension plan by March 31, 2003, in conjunction with US Airways' planned emergence from bankruptcy protection set for that same day. At today's special …

 

[luvthe9]

He didnt terminate it but he had to sign off on ALPA agreeing to the termination, as it was part of the POR, bet you didnt know that did you?

Apparently you cant comprehend, I was there in the second case in the courtroom, Bankruptcy that was filed in 04 and he terminated the rest of the DBPs in 05.

Here comes the backtrack after all the lies in the first posts. HA . No, he did not terminate it. He said he wouldn't terminate. Yes, he had to sign off on it because he was the judge in charge of the bankruptcy. That is the ONLY thing you got right. Had to ,because he was the APPOINTED BK judge. You are an amazing spreader of BS

 

[luvthe9]

I don't give a crap for what you say. He did not take it. He made a statement only, and only that they met the criteria. It was then up to ALPA to make the decision to take it, or not. That is fact. You must have been sleeping. Show me where he took it. How about the statement where he said HE WOULD NOT TAKE IT, IT WAS UP TO THE PILOTS THEMSELVES, hence the vote. DId you vote? I bet not.YOURS was taken by the judge.

 

[luvthe9]

I don't give a crap for what you say. He did not take it. He made a statement only, and only that they met the criteria. It was then up to ALPA to make the decision to take it, or not. That is fact. You must have been sleeping. Show me where he took it. How about the statement where he said HE WOULD NOT TAKE IT, IT WAS UP TO THE PILOTS THEMSELVES, hence the vote. DId you vote? I bet not.YOURS was taken by the judge.

Show me where Mitchell took the pilots pension. You cannot.

 

[luvthe9]

Apparently you cant comprehend, read this again:

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All you have is they met the requirements. And how do you manage to post when you are offline?

 

[700UW]

AS DETERMINED, RENDERED A DECISION, do you need to look it up in Websters?

The court's findings.

Do I need to get some crayons or markers and draw you a picture?