US Pilots Labor Discussion 7/13- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[nic4us]

Nic4us, sorry I cannot agree with the part about the ARBITRATED AWARD IS NOT GOING AWAY part. I really do not see how that will hold up. I am going with a very reliable source on this one. Everything is open at this point. Seniority is negotiable. I am not going to say Parker will ACCEPT a DOH list either if it is presented. He may have other ideas. But I do believe USAPA will deliver the DOH list with C&R's to him. Regards.

Parker's motivations are seperate from those of usapa which are seperate from AOL's. Who passes, accepts, or sues over whichever list is not my point in saying the Nic is not going away.

Lets use a hypothetical to illustrate my point. Lets say USAPA decides that a contract with the Nic is unratifiable, but that also a straight DOH list is unratifiable, so they come up with new conditions and restrictions that say West LOS will be credited at 2 to 1 over east LOS. They then formulate a list where the top 1000 pilots are former West. When the top 517 sue, which they obviously would and rightfully so, what document are they going to point to as evidence of how they have been harmed?

The Nic is not merely a suggestion of how it ought to be. It is the only mutually agree upon, contractually mandated method of integration. It will always be the baseline for comparison from which a determination of motivations will be derived. USAPA's arguement that a Nic contract would be unratifiable is speculative because it was never put to the test. All USAPA has is "we do not think it is fair". Well of course you do not, that is the nature of binding arbitration, and why you are there in the first place.

 

[Phoenix]

..THE ARBITRATED AWARD IS NOT GOING AWAY

Sure, the Nic is still here, alive and well, just like Elian Gonzalez still lives in the United States.

 

[700UW]

Binding arbitration awards do not go away, if USAPA's philosophy is that they do, then the company should renege on every arbitration case towards the pilots.

The court said it wasnt ripe at the moment, it did not void the Nicalou award.

 

[john john]

Binding arbitration awards do not go away,

Sure they do
IAM has a few on the shelf

 

[700UW]

Do they? Did the IAM give them up?

No.

The only two awards that went away were because of Judge Mitchell and Section 1113 of the Bankruptcy Code.

The airbus arbitration was won, the final offer contract that was basically imposed modified the scope language to permit outsourcing the same was for the LOA about attendance.

The IAM did not void them nor negotiate them away.

Tell the whole story, not just a eyebrow.

 

[Phoenix]

Sure they do
IAM has a few on the shelf

Who cares what the IAM has or doesn't have. Anyone who wants to tell you about binding arbitration is not even in the ballpark anymore and is showing their failure to grasp the facts. You can ignore them.

The 9th made it very clear what standing the Nic has. Binding arbitration was not the term they used to explain it.

 

[nic4us]

........ Anyone who wants to tell you about binding arbitration is not even in the ballpark anymore and is showing their failure to grasp the facts. You can ignore them.

The 9th made it very clear what standing the Nic has. Binding arbitration was not the term they used to explain it.

You can ignore an arbitrated award? Are you sure? You mean to tell me there are thousands of arbitrations in this country weekly, just to make a suggestion that could actually be ignored?

Think again there Phoenix. There is a reason they call it binding.

How did the 9th describe the Nic? I believe they said it was a result of a union process. What was that union process? Negotiation, Mediation, Binding Arbitration.

The Nic is not going away.

 

[john john]

The only thing stopping a contract is usapa.

Who is stopping the flight Attendants? usapa

 

[cleardirect]

Who cares what the IAM has or doesn't have. Anyone who wants to tell you about binding arbitration is not even in the ballpark anymore and is showing their failure to grasp the facts. You can ignore them.

The 9th made it very clear what standing the Nic has. Binding arbitration was not the term they used to explain it.

Who cares what the IAM has or doesn't have.
Who care what the F/A's have.
Who cares what the dispatchers have.

So I guess that will end any more discussion about how the other groups integrated.

The only thing that the ninth said was not yet. Nothing more nothing less. If usapa is ever capable of bringing a contract then we will find out exactly what binding arbitration means.

 

[Phoenix]

You can ignore an arbitrated award? Are you sure? You mean to tell me there are thousands of arbitrations in this country weekly, just to make a suggestion that could actually be ignored?

Think again there Phoenix. There is a reason they call it binding.

How did the 9th describe the Nic? I believe they said it was a result of a union process. What was that union process? Negotiation, Mediation, Binding Arbitration.

The Nic is not going away.

The Nic is a lot like St. Elmo's Fire. Its pretty and will always be with us, but it never does anything.

 

[informed]

If usapa is ever capable of bringing a contract then we will find out exactly what binding arbitration means.

Exactly correct. Death and Taxes.

 

[Black Swan]

Binding arbitration awards do not go away, if USAPA's philosophy is that they do, then the company should renege on every arbitration case towards the pilots.

The court said it wasnt ripe at the moment, it did not void the Nicalou award.

They go away very easily if the group that it was arbitrated with was succeeded by another one that had no ties to it , ever. How can you hold USAPA to an integration that it never participated in????You can't. It is that easy.

 

[Black Swan]

You can ignore an arbitrated award? Are you sure? You mean to tell me there are thousands of arbitrations in this country weekly, just to make a suggestion that could actually be ignored?

Think again there Phoenix. There is a reason they call it binding.

How did the 9th describe the Nic? I believe they said it was a result of a union process. What was that union process? Negotiation, Mediation, Binding Arbitration.

The Nic is not going away.

You guys need to get REALLY acquainted with Baptiste and Wilder, again. The part about the successor union having NOTHING to do with the previous entity. regards

 

[informed]

The America West Pilots attorneys are asking for a stay until the US Supreme Court will hear their case. The Supreme Court gets 10,000 requests per year and only approximately 100 cases are heard


America West pilots ask for a stay utill their United States Supreme Court is accepted

 

[informed]

In fairness.

America West pilots argument for US Supreme Court consideration