US Pilots Labor Discussion 6/20- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[East Hole]

History. You don't really believe that US didn't have two bankruptcies and wasn't out of money by Sept '05 do you?

Jim

So tell me where the future of this airline is if there is one. East coast or Phoenix ? OOPS what happen in the past cannot be ignored but is not everything either!

 

[Pi brat]

thought better of it

 

[Richard]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

The personal attacks, remarks, insults and threats STOP NOW. I have just deleted a whole bunch of posts, and given some members a ticket to the cornfield. You all need to cool off and stop with the flame bait and insults NOW.

As a reminder, this was a MERGER, not an ACQUISITION--that argument was put to bed a long time ago as IRRELEVANT to the discussion at hand.

Also, the use of the word SCAB is prohibited EXCEPT as it correctly applies to NON union personnel being used to break a strike--the uses in this thread are inflammatory and inappropriate.

Finally, you are NOT to mention, discuss or otherwise comment on the recent incident in PHL involving the use of surreptitious photography...that has its own thread, and is NOT relevant to the labor issues at hand.

Next violation of the rules gets a 14 day stay in the corn field.

Enough already-----

 

[FL430]

Hey since DP says there will be a profit posted last quarter does this mean east pilots will get another profit sharing check again?

 

[BoeingBoy]

Hey since DP says there will be a profit posted last quarter

This quarter - it's still June. Until the first of July, last quarter was Jan-Mar.

does this mean east pilots will get another profit sharing check again?

Not unless there is an annual profit. Last I saw the consensus of analyst's estimates was for a profit this year, but with half the year left something may happen to change that (fuel prices, economy, etc).

Jim

 

[Hate2fly]

en banc===50/50, scotus always a possibility, dismissed without prejudice? all this keeps it runniing for a long time.

I'm happy with seperate ops.....seems a east mec pulled out of jnc and started this back when? I know, if you don't, review the facts. My pay and work rules are fine..could be better as always. west attrition will get me back in the left seat in about 1-2 years.

Did you receive a letter from ceo doug parker accepting the George Nicolau award dated 12/20/2007 that the company accepted a final and binding award between pilots west and east? I did.

Did you receive a letter from the ceo doug parker accepting anything other lately concerning this? If so, does it follow the TA of which is a contract between lcc and it's pilots? Answer is..NO and you never will.

Dougie in his crew news is sending a big signal to his westie boys and girls..........just like in the movie "Rambo". "It's over Johnny!"

They will never be able to cash in the lottery tickets! J. Freund told you westies at Wye River about the risk! And as usual the westies were younger and smarter than everyone!

Your boy the desert judge took you further than he should have. Poor judge was losing sleep during the trial. Best friends can sometimes cloud your decision making process. He should have been educated at Penn.

Something tells me the west is experiencing a major earthquake! Co-founders aqua and fergie will have to be heavy hitters in the sales department. Donations are probably tanking!

A personal favorite of mine on the crew news.......Lyle is starting to figure out the east attrition is about to hit high gear....when he mentions age 63 and medicals in the same sentence. It is about to be party time in the east. LOA93 pay restoration/MDA/PBGC and last but not least our east attrition.

Hate

 

[BoeingBoy]

BTW, wasn't that amount around a billion dollars?

Not quite - I think it was based on the ATSB backed part of the $1 billion although I'd have to do some digging to be sure. If my memory is right, that would put it at around $850 million with the tranche B lender (RSA) at risk. The ATSB agreed to lower the amount 3 time during the course of BK 2 (as well as allowing more leeway to keep some of the money from asset sales), ending up requiring $400 million in cash. On Aug 31 2005 US had $403 million. Since the merger occurred before the end of Sept 2005, US didn't file an operational report for Sept but it should have been a negative cash flow month since the Thanksgiving and Christmas/New years travel revenue inflow would have been just starting but expenses would have been the same as Aug which had negative cash flow). But by that time the merger had been approved by the court so the ATSB didn't push the issue.

Jim

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Hey since DP says there will be a profit posted last quarter does this mean east pilots will get another profit sharing check again?

Actually, pilots on both sides get the profit sharing check. The ALPA East MEC gave them that, sharing the money in the East contract. They did it right before the West MEC fought an attempt to get pay parity for the East.

Not even a "Thank you".

 

[BoeingBoy]

They did it right before the West MEC fought an attempt to get pay parity for the East.

Right before? Interesting choice of words. Care to share your definition of that phrase? How long can pass before something is not "right before" something else? Also, care to list what the east was doing during between transition negotiations and "right before" the equal pay issue?

Jim

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Right before? Interesting choice of words. Care to share your definition of that phrase? How long can pass before something is not "right before" something else? Also, care to list what the east was doing during between transition negotiations and "right before" the equal pay issue?

Jim

I don't see how you can misunderstand what I said. I guess I should have been more clear. How about, "a short period before"? Does that make it easier to grasp?

I don't know what the MECs were doing at that time, but it's a good bet that wasting money was part of it.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I don't see how you can misunderstand what I said.

"Right before" is generally defined as immediately prior to so I wanted to be clear on your meaning.

I guess I should have been more clear. How about, "a short period before"? Does that make it easier to grasp?

Oh - it was easy enough to grasp your intent - make it seem that west was given something by east only to immediately give east a slap in the face. Just wanted to see if you'd admit that east took several actions to antagonize the west between the two, a question you have now answered.

This is like the time I mentioned the east suit against the west and you said "What suit", only to mention the very same suit later in the thread. As I've said, pretending ignorance doesn't suit you.

Jim

 

[Pi brat]

Not quite - I think it was based on the ATSB backed part of the $1 billion although I'd have to do some digging to be sure. If my memory is right, that would put it at around $850 million with the tranche B lender (RSA) at risk. The ATSB agreed to lower the amount 3 time during the course of BK 2 (as well as allowing more leeway to keep some of the money from asset sales), ending up requiring $400 million in cash. On Aug 31 2005 US had $403 million. Since the merger occurred before the end of Sept 2005, US didn't file an operational report for Sept but it should have been a negative cash flow month since the Thanksgiving and Christmas/New years travel revenue inflow would have been just starting but expenses would have been the same as Aug which had negative cash flow). But by that time the merger had been approved by the court so the ATSB didn't push the issue.

Jim

I think you are right, I was given some bad info by a friend. I just saw 2nd quarter '05 at about 480 million.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

"Right before" is generally defined as immediately prior to so I wanted to be clear on your meaning.



Oh - it was easy enough to grasp your intent - make it seem that west was given something by east only to immediately give east a slap in the face. Just wanted to see if you'd admit that east took several actions to antagonize the west between the two, a question you have now answered.

This is like the time I mentioned the east suit against the west and you said "What suit", only to mention the very same suit later in the thread. As I've said, pretending ignorance doesn't suit you.

Jim

The only time I remember any discussion of an East v. West lawsuit, I called it the AWAPPA lawsuit and someone (you maybe?) said, "no, not he AWAPPA suit, the RICO suit". Well, since I thought they were one-in-the-same, that confused me. I looked it all up and was correct. Sorry, STILL can't read minds.

I still don't know what you mean by "antagonizing" the west. You mean by not agreeing to their "lottery ticket", or by voting for an NMB election? Too bad.

How about giving everyone ONE example of goodwill shown by the West side toward the East? I know, jumpseat..No, that wouldn't be it either.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I think you are right, I was given some bad info by a friend. I just saw 2nd quarter '05 at about 480 million.

I haven't tried looking in the SEC filings part of the US website, but the monthly filings should be there although you'd probably have to look at a lot of filings to find the right ones. All the filings used to be on a site US paid a firm to maintain, but that firm finally took it down about a year after US stopped paying.

Hun

 

[oldiebutgoody]

I haven't tried looking in the SEC filings part of the US website, but the monthly filings should be there although you'd probably have to look at a lot of filings to find the right ones. All the filings used to be on a site US paid a firm to maintain, but that firm finally took it down about a year after US stopped paying.

Hun

You two got something going on we should know about?

(I'm guessing poor hand placement on the keyboard, but thought I'd ask)...