US Pilots Labor Discussion 6/20- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[RSVP767]

How are judges assigned their case load?

By seniority! (DOH of course)

 

[end_of_alpa]

You have not heard? The West Migs count has surpassed 1000. West gets another rep. Looks like the interim temporary rep is a named Addington Plaintiff. So, the West has the founder of AOL who is also a Cactus 18 defendant running for EVP. Another rep who is a Cactus 18 defendant, and very much pro AOL and "stick with the Nic". a second rep who would like nothing more than to see usapa go away, and the interim rep put his name on the suit against usapa.

Times have changed here on the West, no verbal abuse or threats for these guys.

It's about time they got a "brain"!

Maybe the "tin men" of AOzL will actually contribute to the overall good rather than chacing their own "yellow brick road".

 

[end_of_alpa]

The TA is most certainly is a Letter of Agreement, just as the West 330 payrates, the 757 growth LOA, LOA93 etc.

It carries the weight of the CBAs and is a tripartite contract between the new company (LCC) and the West pilots, and the east pilots. It is not a possible means to an ends, it is a contractual means to an ends.

Guess what that contract says. Seniority integration via ALPA merger policy. Guess what else. usapa inherited the TA, along with the West's contract 2004, and the east's contract or LOA93 or whatever you people call it.

So, as an individual who has the right to a duty of fair representation from usapa, I am going to hold them to the contract I have as a "West pilot in the service of AWA", with the east pilots and the company. Failing that, I am going to hold the company to that same contract.

Got more news for you. A constitution and bylaws, is not a contract, but by being an objector, I never implied that I agreed to, will follow, or adhere to the usapa seniority theft scheme and the fake union's C&BLs.

All this noise about the last lawsuit is just that , noise. Remember, that suit was dismissed. 9th said not ripe. They did leave usapa to bargain in good faith for all US Airways pilots under the knowledge of the pain of an "unquestionably ripe DFR".

I would think "in good faith" means, as you contractually agreed to.

I've explained WHY your wrong last YEAR!!! I won't waste my time repeating it.

IF...and I mean IF...you and yours manage to raise the funds necessary to bring another lawsuit, well just see how it "plays" out.

Remember, IT STARTS ALL OVER AGAIN FROM SCRATCH....repeat....SCRATCH!

You and yours lack of understanding continue to waste bandwidth.

Congratulations on having over 1,000 MIGS in PHX so you can have a third rep. Now they get to vote but YOU DON'T Mr. "Objector".

So let had a little fuel to the fire: (please refer to http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2008/35n037.pdf)

CERTIFICATION
NOW, THEREFORE, in accordance with Section 2, Ninth, of the RLA, as amended, and based upon its investigation pursuant thereto, the Board certifies that the USAPA has been duly designated and authorized to represent for the purposes of the RLA, as amended, the craft or class of Pilots, employees of US Airways, its successors and assigns.
By direction of the NATIONAL MEDIATION BOARD.

Eligible Employees 5,238
ALPA 2,254
USAPA 2,723
OTHER 8

My question to you: CAN YOU PROVE WITH THE ABOVE FIGURES WHETHER THE MAJORITY OF WEST PILOTS VOTED FOR USAPA OR ALPA??? (I know YOU know how YOU voted....can you PROVE THAT???

HINT: Eligible employees does NOT differentiate between CAPTAINS, FO's, East, West, Old, young, CLT, PHX, green, purple, male, female, etc....)

1,000 + "West" MIGS verify they want to have a VOICE in their representation. AS WELL THEY SHOULD!

 

[Phoenix]

What is it about "don't know, don't care" has you so confused?

...

If you were retired and persisted with an inordinate obsession, I wouldn't bother attempting to explain anything to you.

 

[Phoenix]

EVP Runoff Election Results


The Ballot Certification Committee would like to thank all members who participated in the EVP special election.Effective immediately, Gary Hummel is the Executive Vice President.The results are shown below.



Executive Vice President Special Runoff Election
Official Results
Ballot ending 6/24/10 5:00:00 PM (pacific)
The ballots cast were as follows:






Gary Hummel

1867

67.64 %

Eric Ferguson

893

32.36 %

Total

2760

 

[nic4us]

I've explained WHY your wrong last YEAR!!! I won't waste my time repeating it.

IF...and I mean IF...you and yours manage to raise the funds necessary to bring another lawsuit, well just see how it "plays" out.

Remember, IT STARTS ALL OVER AGAIN FROM SCRATCH....repeat....SCRATCH!

You and yours lack of understanding continue to waste bandwidth.

Congratulations on having over 1,000 MIGS in PHX so you can have a third rep. Now they get to vote but YOU DON'T Mr. "Objector".

So let had a little fuel to the fire: (please refer to http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2008/35n037.pdf)

CERTIFICATION
NOW, THEREFORE, in accordance with Section 2, Ninth, of the RLA, as amended, and based upon its investigation pursuant thereto, the Board certifies that the USAPA has been duly designated and authorized to represent for the purposes of the RLA, as amended, the craft or class of Pilots, employees of US Airways, its successors and assigns.
By direction of the NATIONAL MEDIATION BOARD.

Eligible Employees 5,238
ALPA 2,254
USAPA 2,723
OTHER 8

My question to you: CAN YOU PROVE WITH THE ABOVE FIGURES WHETHER THE MAJORITY OF WEST PILOTS VOTED FOR USAPA OR ALPA??? (I know YOU know how YOU voted....can you PROVE THAT???

HINT: Eligible employees does NOT differentiate between CAPTAINS, FO's, East, West, Old, young, CLT, PHX, green, purple, male, female, etc....)

1,000 + "West" MIGS verify they want to have a VOICE in their representation. AS WELL THEY SHOULD!

Last year? As in last year when a jury found usapa to be liable for breaching its DFR?

Again, your only real hope is that we cannot raise the money. Pretty lame defense.

You are correct, I do not get to vote on any TA usapa puts out. Do not need to, because it will not see implementation at LCC anyway. By the way, why not go ask Rob how many of those 1000 MIG applications were accompanied by letters of protest stating the individuals do not support the C&BLs and would not honor a usapa picket.

To answere your direct question.

No I cannot prove who voted how in the NMB election. Do not need to. What we have to prove is that usapa failed in its DFR to the West, by campaigning on a strategy to disadvantage the West and unilaterally throw out the Nic. Did they do that? All the evidence suggest they did. e-mail to Bradford, videos of Seham, all saying the same thing. If elected, usapa is going to change the union and use its majority status to steal the Nic away and impose its own solution, which by the way greatly enhances the careers of east pilot majority, to the direct detriment of the West pilots.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

I would definetely try another"PLAN"! MM! Those election results and those pesky liberal judges, aren't helping it much!

 

[luvthe9]

Should have put someone other than Ferguson up for election. You might have gotten them in. We are not as biased as you think about letting someone west in. Just not the guy suing us, and the possibility of him having a key and access to pursue his AOL jihad.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Should have put someone other than Ferguson up for election. You might have gotten them in. We are not as biased as you think about letting someone west in. Just not the guy suing us, and the possibility of him having a key and access to pursue his AOL jihad.

Well, you got to give em credit between wasting AOL money, USAPA money on a lawsuit that , "HAS NO MERIT", gee whiz and that "PLAN", that would be just throwing GOOD money down the tubes, heck you could buy a TAURUS dealership. MM! Only ALPA could spend like that.

 

[cleardirect]

Congratulations Gary.

I hope that this brings some sanity and balance to the HQ. Hearing nasty rumors between the officers. Cleary trying to throw the S/T out of the office. It did not have to be Eric that won it just had to be someone that was not going to be in Cleary's pocket.

 

[Phoenix]

... steal the Nic away..

Nic was never owned by any pilot at USAir. It was merely a waste byproduct of a failed internal union process of a defunct union.

The 9th has made it abundantly clear, USAPA will be wholly responsible for the outcome of their own internal union process, of which Nic never had any part.

If you are contemplatively wasting your money on more lawsuits, you may consider the craps table at the Bellagio in Las Vegas.

 

[luvthe9]

some perv pilot got arrested in Teminal C for taking lewd pictures of a 16 yr. old. Go to 6ABC and search pilot arrest. There is a picture.

 

[Phoenix]

Should have put someone other than Ferguson up for election. ...

Goat Shoap would have been a winner.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Congratulations, Gary!

...A great guy, superior instructor, and I'm sure a tremendous Executive VP! I know that we can count on Gary to stand up for ALL US Airways pilots!

 

[cleardirect]

Nic was never owned by any pilot at USAir. It was merely a waste byproduct of a failed internal union process of a defunct union.

The 9th has made it abundantly clear, USAPA will be wholly responsible for the outcome of their own internal union process, of which Nic never had any part.

If you are contemplatively wasting your money on more lawsuits, you may consider the craps table at the Bellagio in Las Vegas.

You guys like to call it a "failed" union process. But you never say why it failed. Because the east failed to live up to your agreement. the west lived up to it the company lived up to it. You got one thing right. usapa will be wholly responsible for the outcome. No one else to blame but themselves. Wrong that Nicolau will not be a part of it. The ninth never said that the Nicolau went away, they never addressed the thorny issue. the Nioclau is still quite alive and a huge problem for usapa and the company.

Let's see that contract.