US Pilots Labor Discussion 3/26- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[Metroyet]

The March 24, 25 BPR meeting saw some very disturbing activity involving your PHL council. The PHL and PHX reps were joined at the hip from beginning to end, starting with a private dinner the Tuesday evening before the meeting and continuing throughout with private caucuses at every break.

Of the many agenda items advanced two stood out as being of particular interest to the PHX and PHL reps respectively. The first was a proposed resolution to strengthen the communications policy by introducing penalties for violations. This has been a longstanding sore point for the PHX council and is a constant source of friction between them and the rest of the BPR.

From the very start of the discussion the PHL reps were squarely and somewhat obtusely behind the efforts of the PHX reps to defeat the measure. Despite considerable debate the PHL reps' support for the PHX council was unwavering - pure chance? We think not.

The next agenda item was a proposed change to the flight pay loss policy advanced by the PHL reps. This proposal involved logistical issues that would have far reaching implications and a vigorous debate ensued. Just as the PHL council firmly supported the agenda of the PHX reps now the PHX council returned the favor with their vigorous support for the PHL reps.

The behavior of the representatives of both councils was conspicuous and displayed pure collusion between them. The main function of the BPR is to advance the will of their constituents. What occurred that week was unabashed bartering between PHL and PHX, trading the support of one for the support of the other, and your interests provided the capital to make it happen.

Pick up the phone, call your reps, and ask them just how far they are willing to go with your interests in order to advance their own agenda. Don’t wait, your very livelihood may hang in the balance.

Uh, isn't this just called "politics"? By your tone, it's clear that you feel threatened by the fact that an East domicile "DARE" support anything PHX would find helpful. To me, you sound like one of those that still refuses to understand the FACT that USAPA is legally bound to promote the interest of PHX pilots...much to your disgust. What's wrong? The dream of Seham inspired world domination not working out like Bradford promised?

Get used to it. (Although after two years of tire spinning failure, you probably are by now)

 

[Metroyet]

I have lawful rights as well, under RLA, the US Justice system . And it's called a VOTE. That is something you are suiing for to strip the majority of their vote. As for the "legal grounds", well just have to see, won't we!

Dude! We GET IT!!! You get to VOTE!!! Got it. Move on.

You don't seem to understand that your one solitary vote is no more powerful than any other singular vote. Vote away. You're acting like your 10 dollars will buy a million bucks worth. It won't.

 

[hp_fa]

I call it "sucking up". It certainly isn't professional courtesy, of that I'm certain!

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this subject.

 

[N924PS]

The March 24, 25 BPR meeting saw some very disturbing activity involving your PHL council. The PHL and PHX reps were joined at the hip from beginning to end, starting with a private dinner the Tuesday evening before the meeting and continuing throughout with private caucuses at every break.

The behavior of the representatives of both councils was conspicuous and displayed pure collusion between them. The main function of the BPR is to advance the will of their constituents.

Disturbing to whom?

Happy to see that at least, and finally, someone on the BPR has come to the realization that USAPA is the CBA for ALL USAirways pilots and not just the East. Let's have more "collusion". Maybe when the courts rule against USAPA there can be some real progress made to enhance the lives of ALL USAirways pilots, not just the one's who feel negatively impacted by the Nicolau Award.

Not all East constituents wish to remain mired in interminable litigation between fellow pilots and will encourage their BPR reps to move forward to a new CBA that addresses more than Section 22.

Keep up the good work PHL BPR!

 

[nic4us]

I have lawful rights as well, under RLA, the US Justice system . And it's called a VOTE. That is something you are suiing for to strip the majority of their vote. As for the "legal grounds", well just have to see, won't we!

Again, you show you do not understand the situation. We are not trying to strip you of your vote. We are going to strip you of your cash. Could care less how you vote, only care that usapa is not going to let you vote until they get their way. Stalling, forcing seperate ops, is not a strategy, it is a continued DFR violation, and the penalties are going to be cumulative.

 

[veritasaequitas]

Disturbing to whom?

Happy to see that at least, and finally, someone on the BPR has come to the realization that USAPA is the CBA for ALL USAirways pilots and not just the East. Let's have more "collusion". Maybe when the courts rule against USAPA there can be some real progress made to enhance the lives of ALL USAirways pilots, not just the one's who feel negatively impacted by the Nicolau Award.

Not all East constituents wish to remain mired in interminable litigation between fellow pilots and will encourage their BPR reps to move forward to a new CBA that addresses more than Section 22.

Keep up the good work PHL BPR!

You are one of the few former PSA pilots that were given date of hire treatment from the East pilots and feel you should be treated different than others in the current merger. I wish the same treatment on you and your family, that you have shown to others.

Your peers at Air Cal were put on the bottom of the list of American Airlines. I have no respect for you sir and I feel sorry for those that have to deal with you on a daily basis. IMHO.

 

[Metroyet]

You are one of the few former PSA pilots that were given date of hire treatment from the East pilots and feel you should be treated different than others in the current merger. I wish the same treatment on you and your family, that you have shown to others.

Your peers at Air Cal were put on the bottom of the list of American Airlines. I have no respect for you sir and I feel sorry for those that have to deal with you on a daily basis. IMHO.

World, Meet the garden variety Angry F.O..

 

[end_of_alpa]

Again, you show you do not understand the situation. We are not trying to strip you of your vote. We are going to strip you of your cash. Could care less how you vote, only care that usapa is not going to let you vote until they get their way. Stalling, forcing seperate ops, is not a strategy, it is a continued DFR violation, and the penalties are going to be cumulative.

You win, Dr. Evil. We'll see how much cash you really get when the union goes away. If USAPA dies, cumulative zero's upon zero's.

On this forum, the great circle of death.

You win, I'm returning to the great circle of life. Good luck with that!!

 

[luvn737s]

The behavior of the representatives of both councils was conspicuous and displayed pure collusion between them.

NS-

The word you're looking for is Coalition, not collusion, and it's the way things move forward. I would warn the PHX reps to tread carefully and allow the reps from whatever base to rebuild their credibility one brick at a time to ensure a durable alliance.

 

[luvn737s]

You win, Dr. Evil. We'll see how much cash you really get when the union goes away. If USAPA dies, cumulative zero's upon zero's.

Why would the union go away because of a judgement against them? They assess the membership to make up for any shortfall in the treasury, pay the judgement and carry on.

There are plenty of reasons USAPA should go away, but welching out on yet another obligation isn't even in the top 10.

 

[veritasaequitas]

World, Meet the garden variety Angry F.O..

I am not who you think. The angry f/o's are mitch and john, your former "leaders". They are f/o's and mitch is close to furlough.

Another angry f/o is an America West pilot. This video for the America West pilots, is their leaderships idea of providing a video to what they think is the IQ"s of their constituents.

Video catering to the former America West pilots

 

[veritasaequitas]

The intent of cooperation from the West pilots for USAPA is evident by the following video. USAPA professionals are wearing uniforms.

This video was produced by the west pilots, to what they think would further their cause.


America West pilots said they will never join "youse" guys at USAPA

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

World, Meet the garden variety Angry F.O..

Some of the angry f/o's may want to watch their step in front of the training department. They seem to have noticed. That comes straight from the horses mouth.
There seems to be some noticeable tendencies showing.
Find a good shrink - soon.

 

[veritasaequitas]

Some of the angry f/o's may want to watch their step in front of the training department. They seem to have noticed. That comes straight from the horses mouth.

Well, I think a new ad in the USA Today, is forthcoming.

"But the company has, for whatever reason -- in fact, we did talk with the company president last week and pleaded with him to reconsider this training for just the eight selected pilots. And if it's really a good training, how about putting all 5,200 of our pilots through that training and make it part of our annual recurrent training program?

The name for your source, should be a derivative from its opposite side.


Pilots Say Airways Are Not Safe

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

Well, I think a new ad in the USA Today, is forthcoming.

Pilots Say Airways Are Not Safe

You mean there are nutters flying airplanes? Are they all on the east in the right seat?

Do they use really old news to justify their case?

"King: Are they really this out of touch?"

Why yes they are!

July 16 2008