US Pilots Labor Discussion 3/26- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[veritasaequitas]

As far as voting, however you want to vote. But part of a union’s duty is to allow a vote on an improved contract. Two years ladies and gentlemen and not even close to having an agreement. Two years and this union has not even bothered to ask the pilots what we want in a contract. So much for the line pilots directing this new union.

Two years and not even close to a respectable offer. Did I miss something about an offer worth a pilot vote.

You want the nick in the contract, and anything else. Weak.

The majority of line pilots are directing the new union.

Regardless of Wake, regardless of the ninth, separate operations until a combined contract.

 

[HPDriver]

Regardless of Wake, regardless of the ninth, separate operations until a combined contract.

And don't forget your LOA 93!!!!!!!

 

[veritasaequitas]

And don't forget your LOA 93!!!!!!!

Give up LOA 93 and give up change of control language? it is the duty of the union to await the results and keep the protection. Keep enjoying the protected PHX out and backs you brought to this merger.

I am only the messenger.

 

[Richard]

I have just deleted a bunch of posts which were flame-bait and personal insults.

Next one is gone for 14 days.

Stick to the TOPIC and not the POSTER.....

 

[Black Swan]

Gee never seen a flight engineer on a 737, where did he sit and perform his duties? Since the 737 is a two man crew unlike the 727 which was a three man crew, lol!

Guess you cant comprehend that NW, and Piedmont (only at like 7 stations) did R&D.

The 737 F/E sat on the jumpseat. UAL and Western also had them. It got eliminated at Western, and a lot of guys hit the streets.

 

[cleardirect]

Two years and not even close to a respectable offer. Did I miss something about an offer worth a pilot vote.

You want the nick in the contract, and anything else. Weak.

The majority of line pilots are directing the new union.

Regardless of Wake, regardless of the ninth, separate operations until a combined contract.

It takes two to tango or in this case negotiate. Predictable from the east, it is the companies fault never usapa. What leverage or even experience does usapa have at getting a contract? Companies never want to have a better contract, it is up to the union to make that happen. How is usapa going to make that happen?

No one from the west has said that it is just Nicolau, the next contract has to have improvements or I am a no vote. Unlike the east pilots I am going to look at the entire contract. What have you east pilots been saying VNIIMN. You guys are voting no if it includes the Nicolau, disregarding everything else. So be careful what you project on to other people.

How does the BPR know what the majority of line pilots want in the contract?

Yes, yes, yes separate ops until a contract we all know that. Again be careful that might not work out for you guys someday.

 

[Black Swan]

You weren't the cause.

We were. We are our own worst enemy, and "Yes" voted ourselves out of those jobs.

But I do have a problem with the "sitting around" part.

Back when we did R&D, there were no MEL's that left the gate, especially when we had 3 Mechanics. Each plane was required to be walked around and serviced. Something that is only done once a day now, and now your plane is walked around by the bag handlers. Believe me, there wasn't all that much "sitting around".

You are right, there were no open MEL's. You guys took care of them on the shift, or absolutely on the overnight. The way this company has done away with the overnight maintenance is criminal. Now it is like a lunar mission trying to read through multiple MEL's and interpret their impact on a flight. This is the way Eastern operated, and we know where that went.

 

[Black Swan]

Pretty good timing on his part. The company offers the early out and he can take it and be gone before the NTSB releases its report.

Low blow

 

[cleardirect]

End_of_ALPA,

You tell us how that EEOC thing works out for you. Let us know if they laugh you out of the office that day or if they wait a couple of weeks and laugh at you in a letter.

The rest is not worth quoting or replying to.

BTW is it 2000 or 2500 that agree with you. Are you not sure, perhaps your polling data is is being worked.

 

[end_of_alpa]

End_of_ALPA,

You tell us how that EEOC thing works out for you. Let us know if they laugh you out of the office that day or if they wait a couple of weeks and laugh at you in a letter.

The rest is not worth quoting or replying to.

BTW is it 2000 or 2500 that agree with you. Are you not sure, perhaps your polling data is is being worked.

I don't know the number anymore than you do. What I BELIEVE is that my PERSONAL interaction with my FELLOW EAST pilots overwhelmingly favors my "beliefs" more than yours. In any case, polling data (whatever that is worth) or not, unless and until we vote, we have what we have.

As far as replying to the rest of my argument, I find that no response is an answer in and of itself. Hense, you said it: I am not "worth" it. And there IS the answer. EAST PILOTS ARE NOT WORTH IT!

 

[Black Swan]

I am just saying his fifteen minutes are pretty much up. Best to go out on top, and the company early out( even though it is not that much) ends up being a small bonus for doing it now.

No, that is not what you said. You said he left before the NTSB report came out. Nice try. Those guys did everything they could possibly. He had enough of this industry as a whole, and this airline.

 

[end_of_alpa]

It takes two to tango or in this case negotiate. Predictable from the east, it is the companies fault never usapa. What leverage or even experience does usapa have at getting a contract? Companies never want to have a better contract, it is up to the union to make that happen. How is usapa going to make that happen?

No one from the west has said that it is just Nicolau, the next contract has to have improvements or I am a no vote. Unlike the east pilots I am going to look at the entire contract. What have you east pilots been saying VNIIMN. You guys are voting no if it includes the Nicolau, disregarding everything else. So be careful what you project on to other people.

How does the BPR know what the majority of line pilots want in the contract?

Yes, yes, yes separate ops until a contract we all know that. Again be careful that might not work out for you guys someday.

Maybe because USAPA is staffed with experienced "union" pilots from the prior CBA??

Maybe it's because it's up to the "line pilots" to make it happen??

Maybe it's because the members of the BPR just happen to be "pilots" at US Airways and want the same or similar results that the "line" pilots want???

Maybe the BPR ARE line pilots???

No offense, but how's YOUR furlough working out for YOU??? Maybe you might reflect on that?

 

[HPDriver]

Give up LOA 93 and give up change of control language? it is the duty of the union to await the results and keep the protection. Keep enjoying the protected PHX out and backs you brought to this merger.

I am only the messenger.

PHX out and backs?!?!

I'm doing more stuff up and down the east coast then ever.

In fact, I've got another CLT-MCO-CLT-MCO day coming up.

And I see the du jour thing to hang your hat on is change of control language? Why didn't you think of that months ago.

Sounds like you're parroting everything Cleary puts out with understanding it at all.

 

[cleardirect]

Maybe because USAPA is staffed with experienced "union" pilots from the prior CBA??

Maybe it's because it's up to the "line pilots" to make it happen??

Maybe it's because the members of the BPR just happen to be "pilots" at US Airways and want the same or similar results that the "line" pilots want???

Maybe the BPR ARE line pilots???

No offense, but how's YOUR furlough working out for YOU??? Maybe you might reflect on that?

Now how could that be? We have been told that everything ALPA is bad and if these guys were trained under ALPA they must be bad too. No wait we were told that usapa is a different organization and that the leadership was not from ALPA. I am getting confused trying to keep up with the rationalizations.

The line pilots have made what happen? Delaying a contract two years with no end in sight?

The BPR are line pilots? At ALPA all of the leadership were line pilots. You just said that usapa is staffed with the same line pilots. Man your logic is running in circles. Think about the last vote for EVP. 900 some “line” pilots voted to keep the EVP, less than 900 and some voted to eliminate. So I guess being a “line” pilot does not mean that we all vote the same.

So back to the question how does the BPR KNOW what the line pilots want? They know what they want, they know what some of the line pilots want. How do they know what all the line pilots want?


Furloughed, I am cut to the quick by your wit. NOT! Think what you want or underestimate at your own peril. The ninth and the LOA 93 grievance is going to be disappointing to many on the east.

 

[HPDriver]

What I BELIEVE is that my PERSONAL interaction with my FELLOW EAST pilots overwhelmingly favors my "beliefs" more than yours.

That's nothing but USAPA propaganda. Trying to rally your fellow east pilots to keep the fight going is a losing battle.

The overwhelming consensus out east is a holding pattern and nothing more. Most out east are awaiting the results of USAPA's appeal as well as the LOA93 arbitration results before they decided which way to go.