US Pilots Labor Discussion 3/19- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[cleardirect]

BS. I was referencing people with continuous service. Obviously you're "fine" with anything that suits the selfishness of your group....like placing a 3-4 year AWA person ahead of an east pilot with say, 20 plus years of conitnuous service.

Since the "fight has long been decided"...um..why are you west folks even bothering with all of this? 🙄

What seat/ position was the 20 year east pilot in? What position/ seat is the 3-4 year west pilot in?

 

[Metroyet]

MIKE CLEARY- Best thing to happen to us!

That's what I mean from my previous post. You absolutely INSIST that you stay on LOA93. This chronic inability to see what is staring you in the face is the common denominator to the Eastie.

 

[nic4us]

BS. I was referencing people with continuous service. Obviously you're "fine" with anything that suits the selfishness of your group....like placing a 3-4 year AWA person ahead of an east pilot with say, 20 plus years of conitnuous service.

Had that happened you would still have no defendable arguement, but since it did not happen we see that you are "fine" with saying anything that suits the selfishness of your group.

The absolute greatest gap between the two groups occured at the extreme bottom of both list. Monda had 17 years, Colello had 17 years minus his furlough for LOS, and Odell had 3 months and a job. The difference is Odell was employed, Colello was not and Monda was in extreme danger of being unemployed along with the other 2800 east pilots, all of which were matched equally with their West counterpart when Nicolau constructed the list.

 

[nic4us]

The west bears the responsibility for helping maintain LOA 93.

Absolutely correct. The West shares that responsibility with the east. The West made sure you stayed on LOA93 when you started breaking your agreements and left the negotiation table and filed a lawsuit against us.

It is your fault you are on LOA93 in the first place. It is your fault you stayed on LOA93, when your reps decided it would be better than a negotiated agreement and walked out of combined negotiations. And, it is your fault, you will remain on LOA93, because you elected an association that persues an illegal, time consuming path, and would prefer to keep you there rather than negotiate for all pilots.

However, the West will take full credit for your next pay package. Which will be LOA93 minus a big ole' ever increasing assesment. And you will stay on that payscale until enough east pilots cry uncle.

 

[EastUS]

Their years of service was, and is, irrelevant....

Thanks for your answer. Hmm..begs the following question though sir: Approximately how many years of service do you have? It's generally been my experience that the vast majority of those that note years of service as being "irrelevant"...well...how to say this gently?....most often have their "personal reasons" for doing so. That's not always the case, but tends to be a good rule of thumb from what I've seen.

 

[EastUS]

Parker is not the enemy.

Really?....So....When's the last time you saw the man coming down the chimney with a bag full of gifts and goodies?....
No pay parity upon merging. Every single, even remotely possible methodology is routinely used to literally steal any and all even pennies from the employees, (see ACARS/etc)and almost every possible piece of the contract is routinely violated. and requires countless filed greivences....Zero evidenced respect for any/all employee groups...In general: you've simply GOT to be joking here. Sigh..I'm sure that's all just the fault of the east pilots though, and you'll explain why.....

Sigh...Nevermind....Just have some more kactus-koolaide.

 

[EastUS]

Absolutely correct. The West shares that responsibility with the east. The West made sure you stayed on LOA93

.... And you will stay on that payscale until enough east pilots cry uncle.

Can't speak for everyone..but...I'm sure more inspired now than ever to grant you super "seniority" via voting in some poisonous nic BS... 🙄

 

[goneflyin]

Thanks for your answer. Hmm..begs the following question though sir: Approximately how many years of service do you have? It's generally been my experience that the vast majority of those that note years of service as being "irrelevant"...well...how to say this gently?....most often have their "personal reasons" for doing so. That's not always the case, but tends to be a good rule of thumb from what I've seen.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here (if any), but if you go back a few pages, you'll see that I clearly identified myself as having been hired by Delta in 1987. By my count, that's 23 years of service.

What you are trying to insinuate is absolutely beyond me. Are you merely trying to cast doubt on my viewpoint? If so, this didn't do it. I'm sure you're trying to make a point; I just can't for the life of me figure out what it might be.

I did, however, predict that one of the "usual suspects" would attack me, the poster, if he couldn't find fault with my message. Thanks for your predictability, EastUS...

 

[BoeingBoy]

What you are trying to insinuate is absolutely beyond me.

It's the same as always. A furloughee deserves to be above captains on the other side. A pilot who hung on to a job by a few numbers deserves to be above captains on the other side. What it boils down to is that since the years of service didn't get many East pilots what they feel entitled to, the merger should be the vehicle to rectify that problem.

Jim

 

[Ames]

BS. I was referencing people with continuous service. Obviously you're "fine" with anything that suits the selfishness of your group....like placing a 3-4 year AWA person ahead of an east pilot with say, 20 plus years of conitnuous service.

Since the "fight has long been decided"...um..why are you west folks even bothering with all of this? 🙄

Please give an example of this happening. Names and positions on the list will suffice.

 

[EastUS]

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here (if any), but if you go back a few pages, you'll see that I clearly identified myself as having been hired by Delta in 1987. By my count, that's 23 years of service.

What you are trying to insinuate is absolutely beyond me. Are you merely trying to cast doubt on my viewpoint? If so, this didn't do it. I'm sure you're trying to make a point; I just can't for the life of me figure out what it might be.

I did, however, predict that one of the "usual suspects" would attack me, the poster, if he couldn't find fault with my message. Thanks for your predictability, EastUS...

Sorry. I did miss your earlier noting of your time worked. As for "predictability"? Your noted years fully fits my earlier assertions that the vast majority of those that espouse DOH as being "meaningless", or "irrelevant"...do indeed have their "personal reasons" for doing so....for which; I thank you for your predictability in that regard.

"I'm sure you're trying to make a point; I just can't for the life of me figure out what it might be." Is the concept that the vast majority of those, like yourself, that refuse to respect any people with more service, generally have their own selfish motives at heart so truly elusive to you? I've seen one retired poster whom, I nowadays truly believe has full and honest convictions that relative seniority's both fair and reasonable. Despite his/my huge differences; I must respect anyone's refusal to stray from their honest principles, however....he's the ONLY one who I've seen take that position that wouldn't potentially suffer from respecting the service and years worked of others. 23 years? = if you were an east pilot: Using the nic fiasco would place you as a copilot to the bulk of the west list......Not any worry for myself, but I can but wonder what tone we'd hear from you in that scenario.....? Care to fill us in?

 

[EastUS]

Please give an example of this happening. Names and positions on the list will suffice.

It hasn't. that's the intrinsic beauty of seperate operations and no nic.

 

[Ames]

By what "reasoning" do you patronizingly project/assume the referenced poster is anything other than a "grown up and professional pilot"? Apparently; just because his opinion of the potential difficulties inherent with combining the groups differs from yours? Nice. I think you're defeating your own assertion here.

His comments are indicative of a lack of professionalism and maturity, much like many of yours. As a newbie on this board I will assume that you are the bully I am supposed to fear. Sorry, not impressed.

 

[HPDriver]

The west bears the responsibility for helping maintain LOA 93.

You have no one to blame but yourselves.

Get over it.

 

[HPDriver]

Since the "fight has long been decided"...um..why are you west folks even bothering with all of this? 🙄

Because it's a great hobby watching you guys stomp around acting tough but all the while looking like complete fools.

All talk, no action - mantra of the east.