US Pilots Labor Discussion 3/1- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[CallawayGolf]

I think it's merely an attempt to get Tempe's attention. You know, if you have a stubborn mule that won't cooperate, the first thing you do is smack him upside the head to get his attention.

The technique was successful in getting fuel school scrubbed. Tempe just forgot we were out here. Now they've been reminded.

That's the same methodology used by terrorist groups. They want to get someone's attention so they strike out at innocent or irrelevant targets in order to be “heardâ€￾. All it really shows is just how desperate and powerless the group really is. What USAPA accomplished was to hand deliver another bargaining chip to management that USAPA will have to capitulate on in order for the company to move forward with negotiations. Of course negotiating a new contract is/was never in USAPA’s strategy anyway. They just fritter away more and more pilot support with each and every amateur miscalculation they make.

 

[N924PS]

Clear,

What are you worried about? The company is going to do a transaction that will bus your side over to Republic anyway. Stay calm Cleary is stearing this ship! We love Cleary in the east. Stay safe!

Hate

You are a sick man. Or MC himself.....

 

[N903AW]

You are a sick man. Or MC himself.....

Hmmmmmmm. <_<

Hates to fly so chooses to sit behind a desk and write up incredulous press releases. Hates west pilots. Hates, hates, hates.

I think you may be onto something, PS!!! h34r:

 

[N924PS]

I think it's merely an attempt to get Tempe's attention. You know, if you have a stubborn mule that won't cooperate, the first thing you do is smack him upside the head to get his attention.

The technique was successful in getting fuel school scrubbed. Tempe just forgot we were out here. Now they've been reminded.

Tempe sees USAPA as irrelevant in the scheme of things. Management's disdain for Mike Cleary is well known.

When the 9th Circuit Court smacks you upside the head shortly, will that get YOUR attention?

 

[Hate2fly]

You are a sick man. Or MC himself.....

N924PS,

You are right.......I am a sick man! We have so much to look forward to in the east. LOA 93 is going to get you to bid the big iron. $$$$$$$$$$$ My money is on DB.

USAPA put on a very good case.

The 9th really doesn't have a great impact on us in the east.......just means more litigation!

MDA is really going to get interesting? Watch what ALPA does?

Can you believe it has almost been 3 years in May since the Nic abortion.

UAL doesn't want any part of the Nic. Watch what ALPA does?

Hate

 

[88 B.T.D.]

QUOTE (nycbusdriver @ Mar 10 2010, 02:44 PM)
I think it's merely an attempt to get Tempe's attention. You know, if you have a stubborn mule that won't cooperate, the first thing you do is smack him upside the head to get his attention.

One of the West BPR, Ferguson or LeClarre, explained why he agreed to go against the company on this one too in an update a few months ago. I won't rehash here, but his reasoning for supporting the BPR seemed sound to me, even though I thought it was counter-intuitive at the time also.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

N924PS, aren't you an EASTIE that commutes to CLT, wanting to move into PHX? MM!

 

[N924PS]

N924PS, aren't you an EASTIE that commutes to CLT, wanting to move into PHX? MM!

As a newcomer to this forum, you have missed previous posts I have made regarding this subject.

I am not now or have I ever been JS.

 

[EastUS]

I believe that all of those bad boys attended fuel school so scrubbed would be an overstatement.

Guess again. Do some homework and it might just sometimes effect what you "believe". The "fuel school" died really fast after the union's response. As for "all of those bad boys"?...what do you claim to actually know about what was going on? How do you assume the pilots involved were "bad boys"? This is so typical of the probable "solidarity" the east would EVER gain from the west, nic or not.....much like when your brilliant JM was filmed, for all the world to see, lying his arse off about seeing zillions of east aircraft with "three engines running" and asking of the mighty powers that be "can I turn them in"? I can't recall ever hearing so much as peep from a single west pilot about your glorious leader's desires to "turn in" his "fellow pilots". Well, after all..we are talking about just evil-easties...so that kind of lying, back stabbing, anti-"fellow pilot"/completely just kiss management's arse BS was/is just fine with you all? Now we can all read a barrage of postings from west folks asking whether the union's trying to irritate management. How dare any union anywhere ever do such a thing? Words fail me. This is a management that seeks nothing more than to devalue and under compensate the pilots and all other employee groups to a level that'd make third world, back alley thieves blush....and the biggest west concern is just to not "annoy" them? Other recent west postings amount to "don't dare to even ask for anything substantial at the negotiating table!".. "Gosh..we just couldn't ever possibly get much..so why even ask?"....Sheesh! I've yet to see anything that would even slightly angle me towards any belief that the west pilot group would ever prove any more useful to the east than it was to Ansett.

Sigh...I literally pray this place will be split up..and the sooner the better.

 

[westcoastflyer]

N924PS, aren't you an EASTIE that commutes to CLT, wanting to move into PHX? MM!

If he is, that's great. That is one of the great ADVANTAGES of a merger; it gives pilots and their families the opportunity to shorten their commutes and improve their lifestyle. There are plenty of PHX- based pilot families that either live out east, or want to (tired of the desert). There are also a number of east pilots who would like to be able to fly out of PHX. This would be a win-win for a lot of pilots, and would improve their personal/family lives tremendously. Look at Delta, they already have opened and awarded bids throughout their system (for example, A320's and B747-400's now based in Atlanta).

 

[nic4us]

The 9th really doesn't have a great impact on us in the east.......just means more litigation!

MDA is really going to get interesting? Watch what ALPA does?

Can you believe it has almost been 3 years in May since the Nic abortion.

UAL doesn't want any part of the Nic. Watch what ALPA does?

Hate

You got that right, there is a first for you. More litigation, starting with a damages trial that will result in the assessment of the east pilot group, or more specifically, the entire pilot group minus members of the West class.

MDA interesting? sure,,in a, oh,, by the way, that MDA thing that had nothing to do with our situation, got tossed out of court kind of way.

3 years? That is hard to believe, and it has been 18 months since Odell and 125 othes were furloughed out of seniority, lots of damages racking up for that east assessment.

UAL has what to do with the Nic? You lost me there. Unless you are saying ALPA will start a drive at LCC in April on usapa's 2 year aniversary of incompetence.

 

[ChuckBewFarley]

N924PS,

You are right.......I am a sick man! We have so much to look forward to in the east. LOA 93 is going to get you to bid the big iron. $$$$$$$$$$$ My money is on DB.

USAPA put on a very good case.

The 9th really doesn't have a great impact on us in the east.......just means more litigation!

MDA is really going to get interesting? Watch what ALPA does?

Can you believe it has almost been 3 years in May since the Nic abortion.

UAL doesn't want any part of the Nic. Watch what ALPA does?

Hate

You mean both the company and the union negotiators said the snap back language was weak at best and was never really thought to exist??

Or was it where TP's roommate (who helped write the agreement) who wrote wrote a letter to the pilot group recommending everyone to not support LOA93 because of the weak language?

Help me, just a little confused here.

The superior confidence of the DOH stance (and warned to move off of), the spectacular legal advice on the alleged RICO claim (dismissed with prejudice), fuel school, the recent response to the Kirby offer, and now the ramblings of Mike 'to tall' Cleary have me wondering about the gold standard of true unionism.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

If he is, that's great. That is one of the great ADVANTAGES of a merger; it gives pilots and their families the opportunity to shorten their commutes and improve their lifestyle. There are plenty of PHX- based pilot families that either live out east, or want to (tired of the desert). There are also a number of east pilots who would like to be able to fly out of PHX. This would be a win-win for a lot of pilots, and would improve their personal/family lives tremendously. Look at Delta, they already have opened and awarded bids throughout their system (for example, A320's and B747-400's now based in Atlanta).

I agree or maybe he want's to get back like you said ! Your correct it might be a win win! Or maybe not! MM! Just asked !

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

You mean both the company and the union negotiators said the snap back language was weak at best and was never really thought to exist??

Or was it where TP's roommate (who helped write the agreement) who wrote wrote a letter to the pilot group recommending everyone to not support LOA93 because of the weak language?

Help me, just a little confused here.

The superior confidence of the DOH stance (and warned to move off of), the spectacular legal advice on the alleged RICO claim (dismissed with prejudice), fuel school, the recent response to the Kirby offer, and now the ramblings of Mike 'to tall' Cleary have me wondering about the gold standard of true unionism.

ALPA now that's the GOLD standard! MM!

 

[cleardirect]

N924PS,

You are right.......I am a sick man! We have so much to look forward to in the east. LOA 93 is going to get you to bid the big iron. $$$$$$$$$$$ My money is on DB.

USAPA put on a very good case.

Right! I think that I will wait to see what the arbitrator has to say.

Good is in the eye of the beholder.

The 9th really doesn't have a great impact on us in the east.......just means more litigation!

Already giving up on the case? It will have a huge impact on the east.

MDA is really going to get interesting? Watch what ALPA does?

I guess if you consider being dismissed interesting.

What ALPA is going to do is sometime this fall after running the MDA guys out of money they are going to ask the judge for a summary judgement. Probably based on lack of evidence and ripeness.

Can you believe it has almost been 3 years in May since the Nic abortion.

Can you believe that it has been 6 years since the east got a raise?

UAL doesn't want any part of the Nic. Watch what ALPA does?

Hate

UAL, did we change companies in the last 10 minutes? That has what to do with anything?