US Pilots Labor Discussion 12/14- OBSERVE THE RULES OF THE BOARD!

[jetjok1]

Good for you. I happen to play 18 yesterday and 18 today thanks to being cancelled to PHL.

I am paid the original trip credit, plus I get two extra days off .

Question for you...is now the time when there is a mad scramble on the east to pick up any open time to cover lost wages due to cancellations?

Good thing you don't need the money, but I sure many of your comrades do.

Wouldn't a contract make life better for those that now have to now work on their days off just to make up for a LOA93 giveback?

P.S. Please don't call me son.

I work an average of 78 hrs. a month. I don't work on days off! In fact, if I show up to work and there's a lock and chain on the door, I turn around go home and play another 18. I don't care about your contract and I'm glad you get paid for not being productive. And the son thing. No apology. It's just what you Westies continually remind us of who we are.

 

[HPDriver]

Nah, son!, i don't need the money. I just make it 36 holes!. But you, I suspect that's not the case! But, hey, your hourly is above mine. You do have that going for ya!

Wow, another east guy who doesn't need this job yet fights for it like there's no tomorrow.

Hmmmmm, amazing how many successful east guys there are that like to fly under LOA 93.

 

[Metroyet]

Wow, another east guy who doesn't need this job yet fights for it like there's no tomorrow.

Hmmmmm, amazing how many successful east guys there are that like to fly under LOA 93.

I know. It's amazing how the most vocal spend their time playing golf, swigging Screaming Eagle, and await dinner by Chef Keller.

 

[BoeingBoy]

No. I'm saying there's such a thing as divorce.

So marriage isn't "final and binding" - is that what you're saying.

That's interesting, although no surprise in today's world. If only the East and West had gotten married and the vows included "final and binding" would the East have been able to seek to dissolve the marriage. Unfortunately for the East, it wasn't a marriage and there's several legally binding contracts that make "final and binding" exactly that.

Jim

 

[HPDriver]

So marriage isn't "final and binding" - is that what you're saying.

That's interesting, although no surprise in today's world. If only the East and West had gotten married and the vows included "final and binding" would the East have been able to seek to dissolve the marriage. Unfortunately for the East, it wasn't a marriage and there's several legally binding contracts that make "final and binding" exactly that.

Jim

Like I said, its a stupid analogy.

 

[nycbusdriver]

And the Nic'

Oops....I guess I missed it.

Did the 9th rule?

Did we sign a new joint contract?

 

[ClueByFour]

Oops....I guess I missed it.

Did the 9th rule?

The nightmare scenario for both sides is the 9th saying it's not ripe and losing the snapback arbitration. Because then the thing is right back in court when/if USAPA tries a DOH list.

And then Leeham does not have ripeness as an issue. Ballgame.

USAPA prevailing on the ripeness issue is the very definition of a moral victory.

Did we sign a new joint contract?

The funny thing here is that you have a point. It's the same point that existed under ALPA. After all this is said and done, the issue remains that a contract has to be passed by the majority in order to get Nicolau. USAPA won't change that. IOW (as predicted by many), it's all for naught.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

So marriage isn't "final and binding" - is that what you're saying.

That's interesting, although no surprise in today's world. If only the East and West had gotten married and the vows included "final and binding" would the East have been able to seek to dissolve the marriage. Unfortunately for the East, it wasn't a marriage and there's several legally binding contracts that make "final and binding" exactly that.

Jim

Marriages get annulled and divorces are granted everyday. So much for "'til death do us part" and all that nonsense. On major reason for annullment is "misrepresentation", which can also be a reason for overturning arbitrations. If the rules, like "no windfalls for either side" are not held to, then you get a lawsuit.

 

[HPDriver]

If the rules, like "no windfalls for either side" are not held to, then you get a lawsuit.

That rule was held to hence the reason the company accepted the list.

You get lawsuits when you fail to represent your pilots properly.

 

[AWE Dog]

However, all former east pilots who wish to fly out of PHX should be allowed to under their Nic seniority. I have met some of these guys, and they deserve the rights they were awarded by Nic just as everyone else. There are no delusions of what that means out here either, and it has been discussed on the board before, PHX will become a if not the senior base.

How kind of you. Just to show our are heart is in the right place. With a DOH list we would welcome all west pilots to PHL that would want to bid it. I have no desire for PHX, but under Nic I get what new hire O'dell doesn't want. Save Dave, How offensive is that. Save a new hire to screw a group of pilots with over 15+ years service. Nice!

 

[Metroyet]

How kind of you. Just to show our are heart is in the right place. With a DOH list we would welcome all west pilots to PHL that would want to bid it. I have no desire for PHX, but under Nic I get what new hire O'dell doesn't want. Save Dave, How offensive is that. Save a new hire to screw a group of pilots with over 15+ years service. Nice!

Small detail. Dave actually HAD a job. Those below him on the Nic. were Wal-Mart Greeters or commutter pilots...don't know which is worse. Many US Air furloughees went to work for AWA. Crazy I know...Forgetting US Air and getting on with life and all.

 

[AWE Dog]

Small detail. Dave actually HAD a job. Those below him on the Nic. were Wal-Mart Greeters or commutter pilots...don't know which is worse. Many US Air furloughees went to work for AWA. Crazy I know...Forgetting US Air and getting on with life and all.

You just proved that America West wasn't your first choice for a job. You really think that you have a better job than all of the furloughed guys? I know for a fact you don't. How naive.

 

[nic4us]

How kind of you. Just to show our are heart is in the right place. With a DOH list we would welcome all west pilots to PHL that would want to bid it. I have no desire for PHX, but under Nic I get what new hire O'dell doesn't want. Save Dave, How offensive is that. Save a new hire to screw a group of pilots with over 15+ years service. Nice!

I regret you are offended by the "Save Dave" campaign slogan. Obviously, we were unable to save his job, if someone junior to him as yourself is employed, while he and another 100 or so senior to you have traded with your furloughed position. It is with great remorse that I am compelled to inform you of our next slogan "Reinstate Dave, with Pay", coming soon to a courtroom near you.

 

[nic4us]

You really think that you have a better job than all of the furloughed guys? I know for a fact you don't. How naive.

Are you aware of the fact that AWA had active USAirways pilots quit to come to work at AWA? Not only did AWA hire furloughed US pilots, but we had resumes and hired employed US pilots away from their former company. Are you also aware that the furloughed pilots gave up their recall rights/DOH after the Nic was published?

 

[Metroyet]

You just proved that America West wasn't your first choice for a job. You really think that you have a better job than all of the furloughed guys? I know for a fact you don't. How naive.

That "proves" nothing of the Sort. Firstly, I wouldn't assume that I work for US Air or America West I've never specifically claimed to. Because the furloughed guys accepted recall, one would assume they thought they were improving their situation. So did an America West pilot have a better job than all the furloughed guys? I guess so. At least in the minds of the furloughees returning post merger announcement. Remember, the majority of furloughees DECLINED recall. Obviously they must have had better things going. Good for them.

The Over Arching point here. Unemployed pilots are not treated like active pilots in an SLI. Furloughed is Furloughed no matter how many years of service. You guys are the only ones that don't get that.