US Pilots Labor Discussion 12/14- OBSERVE THE RULES OF THE BOARD!

[Megasnoop]

Jim,

One day of flying with an educated east pilot and your nephew will see the light. By the way looks like ALPA just took another hit from the TWA guys. Good for the TWA boys and my good friend Bud Bensel.

Hate

Yeah, ALPA lost their request for summary judgement.

IRENAS, Senior District Judge:
This Second Amended Complaint arises under the provisions of the Railway Labor Act, 45 U.S.C. §§ 151–188. Plaintiffs, a class of former TWA pilots, allege the Air Line Pilots Association (“ALPAâ€￾) breached its duty of fair representation owed to them during the TWA, Inc.-American Airlines assets acquisition. The gravamen of Plaintiffs’ complaint is that ALPA’s underlying conflict of interest in trying to merge unions with the American pilots, infected the entire process of the assets acquisition so much so that ALPA breached its duty of fair representation. Presently before the Court is Defendant’s Motion for Summary Judgment. For the reasons set forth below, this Motion will be denied.

If the furlough committee was being honest with you, then you'd know that the MDA suit is about attempting to recover some Cash. You'd know that the statute of Limitations has run out on trying to object to the Nic. award. You'd know that there is zero chance that the MDA suit would throw out the Nic award. You'd know that the MDA suit is stalled because the Plaintiffs have a hard time coming up with lawyer fees and they've failed to show up in court at times. MDA will have ZERO effect on the Nic. award. That's not what that suit is about anymore. That's the honest truth.
Not to be insulting, but you really don't seem to know the details very well. Perhaps it's just the fact that USAPA has been feeding you so many lies, for so long that you don't know what to believe.

Metro, what "statute of limitiations?" Nicolau still retains jurisdiction over the award. Haber deposed Nicolau to find out when he got the list. You think he was asked how he'd react if he later found out the list was inaccurate? Im sure Haber was a bit more "legal" in how he asked it. I could have said list was fraudulent, but I'll avoid to exaggeration. MDA wants money, sure, but they also want ALPA to admit to a bad list. This could go a number of ways. MDA could lose or win in court. ALPA could $ettle for $$ without admitting wrong-doing. Or ALPA could $ettle for le$$ $$ and admit it was a bad list they passed. And the fact that the list may have been entirely the work of the AAA-MEC doesn't let ALPA off the hook, since their the CBA. Right now all the pieces are falling together for MDA. This is funny, Phil got served in the jet way by a flight attendent whose a process server on the side.

 

[nic4us]

The out of seniority furloughs was grieved, arbitrated and lost. So it must not have been out of seniority, at least according to the arbitrator.

Dogandsuds

If you read the decision, as I recall arbitrator Bloch denied the grievence, saying there was no specific seperate ops 3rd list, and that the TA was calling for the position of the new hires in regard to a combined list, not the managing of their positions while in seperate ops. The decision did not say it was not out of seniority, it said the company would be allowed to furlough out of seniority during seperate ops.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Even one that lowered the min fleet count? Based on where you say he is on the list I doubt it.

He got furloughed because the East fleet count dropped so he knows that drill. He also knows the US history of grow then furlough everybody hired for the growth. His golden ring is being near the top for a lot of years (including the West pilots in front of him), not what happens today.

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

Jim,

One day of flying with an educated east pilot and your nephew will see the light.

Heck, I'm beginning to wonder if there are more than a few educated East pilots. I see lots of East pilots hanging onto straws, trying to keep the hope alive. That light is looking more and more like a train coming thru the tunnel vision that's developed in the East.

I'll give you this, there's lots of bravado - like turning down a $110k job but coming back to US to fly for less than that and put up with the hassle. That was good for a really big laugh.

Jim

 

[boeingplt]

And he's not the only one. In fact, I'd say he's part of the majority.

Dude, what planet are you living on? That's ok, just keep clicking those heels together.

 

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He got furloughed because the East fleet count dropped so he knows that drill. He also knows the US history of grow then furlough everybody hired for the growth. His golden ring is being near the top for a lot of years (including the West pilots in front of him), not what happens today.

Jim

Wait, did the master west puppet actually admit that attrition has some value in a person's decision on whether to invest more time in an airline??? Kind of like the 89 and 90 hires who were furloughed and came back to LCC, expecting to have the top slots in a few years? Is it this said attrition which is why there is such a problem with Nicolau? Maybe, maybe not? Holy cow Batman.
Gunther was right on the money, Jim. He says hi.

MDA, Snapback, LOA 84... good times coming in '10

Time to turn and burn in the west!

 

[BoeingBoy]

Wait, did the master west puppet actually admit that attrition has some value in a person's decision on whether to invest more time in an airline???

I've never said differently, but attrition is a tricky thing - especially when that airline is going down the tubes. It's not a one way street either - all East and no West. What you and your fellow USAPA drones want is all the attrition from both sides with vague promises about the future.

Kind of like the 89 and 90 hires who were furloughed and came back to LCC, expecting to have the top slots in a few years?

I see that the urban myth is still alive and well - tell that to those 89/90 hires that retired from the right seat of the 737...and not senior right seat. I'm sure they'll be impressed.

Gunther was right on the money, Jim. He says hi.

Tell him I missed him regaling us all with all the upward movement he claimed would occur in bid 10-01- weren't there more displacements than vacancy awards on that bid? So if you do see Gunther (probably like you saw him in the last couple of hours - not) tell him he's still wrong.

MDA, Snapback, LOA 84... good times coming in '10

I think I hear a train's horn...

Jim

 

[Al Legheny]

I've never said differently, but attrition is a tricky thing - especially when that airline is going down the tubes. It's not a one way street either - all East and no West. What you and your fellow USAPA drones want is all the attrition from both sides with vague promises about the future.



I see that the urban myth is still alive and well - tell that to those 89/90 hires that retired from the right seat of the 737...and not senior right seat. I'm sure they'll be impressed.



Tell him I missed him regaling us all with all the upward movement he claimed would occur in bid 10-01- weren't there more displacements than vacancy awards on that bid? So if you do see Gunther (probably like you saw him in the last couple of hours - not) tell him he's still wrong.



I think I hear a train's horn...

Jim

And now for something completely different.....

Team Tempe is about to be tested... I am not sure they are up to it.

There is a major storm watch out for the MidAtlantic area. From Richmond up thru DCA and on to PHL, NYC and BOS they are talking about up to 12" of snow. I can tell that when any significant snow hits DC they just stop. There is no snow removal equipment to speak of.

PHL could fare better due to sonw removal equipment but will not becuase its PHL. NYC and BOS will do the best they can.

I do honestly believe that this is one of the reasons that 3 former managements didn't close LGA and BOS. There is this thing in the Northesast called winter. When was the last time PHX went down in snow?

The view from the upper deck at the puzzle palace in Tempe is always clear and a million. No snow no sleet no freezing rain no weather to speak of.

I am a commuter with a trip that goes out on Sunday. I could try to drive to the airport but with this type of weather I probably would not make it. If they close the airports the company is going to find out what kind of mess they will have. People cannot get to work by car or by airplane.

Closing bases just makes it worse and adds to the problem. Go ahead make a few hundered more commuters, and see what does to your operation. Again 3 prior managements and two bankruptcies didn't cause the shut down of BOS and LGA. There was a reason for this.

It may just miss everything and be a false alarm, but if you go to weatherchannel.com you will see what they are talking about. Winter always seems to arrive in this area as a complete suprise to managment. Maybe we will dodge the bullet, maybe not.

You may now return to the regularly scheduled ranting.

 

[HPDriver]

I'll give you this, there's lots of bravado - like turning down a $110k job but coming back to US to fly for less than that and put up with the hassle. That was good for a really big laugh.

Ya, I'm still laughing at that one too.

 

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And now for something completely different.....

Team Tempe is about to be tested... I am not sure they are up to it.

There is a major storm watch out for the MidAtlantic area. From Richmond up thru DCA and on to PHL, NYC and BOS they are talking about up to 12" of snow. I can tell that when any significant snow hits DC they just stop. There is no snow removal equipment to speak of.

PHL could fare better due to sonw removal equipment but will not becuase its PHL. NYC and BOS will do the best they can.

I do honestly believe that this is one of the reasons that 3 former managements didn't close LGA and BOS. There is this thing in the Northesast called winter. When was the last time PHX went down in snow?

The view from the upper deck at the puzzle palace in Tempe is always clear and a million. No snow no sleet no freezing rain no weather to speak of.

I am a commuter with a trip that goes out on Sunday. I could try to drive to the airport but with this type of weather I probably would not make it. If they close the airports the company is going to find out what kind of mess they will have. People cannot get to work by car or by airplane.

Closing bases just makes it worse and adds to the problem. Go ahead make a few hundered more commuters, and see what does to your operation. Again 3 prior managements and two bankruptcies didn't cause the shut down of BOS and LGA. There was a reason for this.

It may just miss everything and be a false alarm, but if you go to weatherchannel.com you will see what they are talking about. Winter always seems to arrive in this area as a complete suprise to managment. Maybe we will dodge the bullet, maybe not.

You may now return to the regularly scheduled ranting.

Dug doesn't care about what you think. Dug doesn't care about what USAPA thinks. Who cares what Dug thinks?

 

[Tiger 1050]

Jim,

One day of flying with an educated east pilot and your nephew will see the light.

You mean indoctrinated... LOL! Couldn't resist.

BTW Lose the hate brother it'll shorten your life. Merry Christmas!

 

[HPDriver]

Dude, what planet are you living on? That's ok, just keep clicking those heels together.

Obviously not the fantasy-inducing one you're on.

But hang on to your dreams slick. That's all you'll have left.

 

[HPDriver]

MDA, Snapback, LOA 84... good times coming in '10

Same planet as Boeingpit I see.

 

[Metroyet]

Metro, what "statute of limitiations?" Nicolau still retains jurisdiction over the award.

MDA didn't file their lawsuit within 6 months of said breach. Therefore, the statute of Limitations expired. That is a matter of record. The fact the Nicolau retains jurisdiction is something else. The Lawsuit is now simply for cash, (how much and for what is a mystery) and not to vacate the award in it's entirety because there was a time limit to object. So how then, would the East ever get Nicolau an "adjusted" list outside of court order? They can't. Too late. It had a snowballs chance anyway.

Even, in the fanciful world of the Eastie, say Nicolau was to adjust the list to fix the ALLEGED wrongful list. What does that mean? DOH? hardly. In reality, it wouldn't amount to squat. You had to be on furlough to work for MDA. It's really simple. That's it. The MDA suit is just another fools errand that is running out of gas and is consistently over glorified and misunderstood.

I know there's this straw out there that the East thinks will finally "blow the lid" off this huge conspiracy but there isn't. The reality of this situation is very easy to understand if one just took the time to read the Nic. preamble and kept a neutral mindset. The millions wasted on Seham, MDA, Cactus 18, et.al. is just chaff. Noise. It isn't fooling anyone and it's just prolonging the economic suffering of everyone involved. Oh well. That's America. No law against being a fratricidal idiot on the books.

The company has discernibly perked up. Their attendance at the 9th is evidence of that. I have a feeling that once this 9th thing is put to rest, they're going to make a swift move to end all this. My guess, nobody is going to like it either. We'll see.

 

[boeingplt]

Obviously not the fantasy-inducing one you're on.

But hang on to your dreams slick. That's all you'll have left.

When you come to CLT it will be under your DOH seniority sport. Those good ole boys are going to love you.